After long professing that there was nothing he could do, that it was a Democratic law, he does what he could've done before one child was separated from his/her parents. What a lying sack of excrement.

Phoggie -- you are saying "oh ho-hum" and then you suggest that it was his wife and daughter who persuaded him. True or not this is what I think:

Oh lordy lordy. What a president.

Phoggie, how do you feel about those 2300 children who were not covered by trump's EO and won't be reunited with their families? Just forget about them?

2,300 kids were taken from their parents. He did NOTHING for them with his dog and pony show today. How gullible can you be?

On the news tonight there was a story about a woman being held in Seattle while her four year old son was shipped off to New York. The damage has already been done to these children. 2300 children used as bargaining chips for trump's political agenda.

2, 300 children...that's a lot of tears. I don't even know what to say. Never in a million years did I EVER think America would do this to kids.

America didn't, this crazy president did. As long as the rest of us realize how wrong and horrible this is and fight against it (and don't thank this president for something he arranged in the first place) we, and the rest of the world will properly blame him and not our entire country.

Wouldn't this topic be more appropriate on the Hot Topics forum? I don't cone here for politics.

Political threads are allowed on the KT. You can exercise your option to skip over it if you don't enjoy them, but no need to try to take that away from others. They are mostly easy to avoid. A topic with "Trump" in it is probably going to be political.

It's a different crowd on Hot Topics. I've looked a few times and never found the discussions to be of much interest. I see no problem with being open here to whatever is of interest to someone.

Not infrequently people ask questions about health topics, or post photos/start discussions in this forum about gardening topics. No one ever says "Hey, that belongs in the Camellia forum." I move on from most of those without a problem, especially gardening (not something that interests me). I think chi's comment is fair.

I will say that there have been 3X more than enough "Can You Read This" "Test Post" "Did I Figure This Out" posts recently, especially since there's a Test forum for that very purpose.

I'm strictly a lurker at HT. They would chew me up and spit me out as I have seen done with others from the KT that venture into HT....LOL.

It's just a pet peeve of mine when people try to shut down threads that don't interest them.

Agree that HT is very different! I read there but don't post. I'm convinced quite a few of them are trolls who try to stir everyone up and it works!

He is a freaking moron. Did he just say yesterday he didn't have the power to do it and yet he did? It was his plastic barbie doll daughter that showed him pictures. He actually said yesterday the crying babies were hurting his image. He did NOTHING today. He created this, he needs to own it. Do you know why he did it? Because GOP members came to him and said we have to campaign this fall and this will hurt our reelection chances and then they will impeach you. That's why.

Twitter was a-buzz:

Why people are praising this racist psychopath? Please, read the details! The so called “executive order” was nothing but a freaking publicity stunt. It does nothing for those who are already in his system which by the way means, we most likely have 2600 +/- Trump made“orphans” to care for and it only gives a 20 day grace for those who aren’t.

People need to realize he has no moral compass and will never do anything that is morally right. He only does what will benefit him and his minions. I sure hope EVERYONE who opposes this mess we’re in will show up at the polls in November!

desertsteph, Newsmax is a very biased conservative media outlet, so they don't broadcast objective facts...rather they use a *lot* of "spin" to put only the best light on the administration. They use a *lot* of "whataboutism" and blame all things obama/clinton/democrats. You might want to look at politifact or snopes to get a more fact-based look at these controversial situations.

For example, no prior administration, including obama's, took children from their parents including "tender age" children under 10, some less than 2 years old with *no* plan for reuniting them. See politifact here.

There's a reason why so many people including republicans and evangelical ministers were up in arms about this policy change that trump/sessions instituted this April. There's a reason why suddenly the administration is scrambling to find locations around the country to put these children where they didn't need to only a few months ago. But newsmax/infowars/breitbart/limbaugh/fox aren't going to tell you that. They aren't going to say anything negative about this administration. That's who they are. That's what they do.

First amendment gives those "news" outlets a right to be all editorial all the time, but buyer beware of what you are hearing.

An informative piece that addresses the legal issues:

Trump Fixed Nothing Today

That's all fine and dandy and WAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to late for the thousands of children who are in the US without their parents and there is absolutely NO paper trail for those parents to get their children back. Many of the parents have been thrown out of the US without their children. He's trying to make himself look good for more votes and I'm furious that he's done this.

I cannot get over how many people voted for him. Or how many people think he's good for the US. Or how many people got sucked into thinking what he did yesterday was a good thing. It's all for show. And that's all. He wants more votes for your November whateveryoucall it, and I'll bet it works.

desertsheph, maybe you need to do more research on "who started this" which is SO FREAKING IMMATURE to say. "little Johnny, why did you hit Billy?" "Because he started it" IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT! Your response makes me wonder if you think allowing a government to take children away from their parents for wanting a better life for their kids, and PUTTING THEM IN A CAGE is the right thing to do?

You don't thank the kidnapper for releasing the hostages.

Especially when they haven't even released the hostages. All he's done is to promise to make an effort to try to stop taking more hostages. And is probably just lying in any case.

After reading the "dumb question" thread and this one I find it extremely alarming that there are apparently so many people in this country unaware of what's actually going on in our government.

It's what keeps them going, CindyMac, lies and anger, lots and lots of misplaced anger to get and keep them riled.

You don't thank the kidnapper for releasing the hostages.

No, you go have a summit with him and call him all sorts of complimentary names.

For those who think Trump is responsible for what has been going on with families being separated, you just might want to read this from someone who has been working on the border for 15 years. This started long before Trump. I'm not a Trump supporter but this situation where people jump on him for something he did not start is just ridiculous. I posted this in the the "dumb questions" thread, but it is very long and most probably won't read all the posts. https://www.facebook.com/lee.whitt.5036/posts/214609382687059

I read his whole post. The human rights violation is in the policy of separating the children from their parents, when they come in with the parents.

camp56, this was my reply to your comment in the other thread too:

"This might help explain what's really going on."

Or not. The words of a foot soldier in a situation directed by generals. As is said about elephants marching in line, when holding the tail of the one in front, the view is pretty limited.

Camp56, this Sinclair propaganda is probably right up your alley.

https://youtu.be/YOZTPd6oU-E

I'm generally supportive of Melania and I don't care about clothing usually, but did you catch her jacket that she wore *on her way* to visit detained children in Texas?

It says "I really don't care, do u?"

I cannot imagine that this wasn't intentional. Surely someone in the massive White House staff would have mentioned how awful it looks during a huge scandal if it truly were "just a jacket." Even giving her the benefit of the doubt that it isn't a giant "F you," how tone deaf can you be?

For the life of me I can't understand why she would wear that jacket.

And after all the outrage she wore it again deplaning at Andrews Air Force Base.

She should be made to stay with the children and oversee that from the inside. I wonder then just how much she would suddenly care!

I would like to see dignity return to our White House.

White House said it was directed at fake media outlets. SMH.

At first they said it was just a jacket and meant nothing, and now suddenly it was a statement about fake news. Try to keep your lies straight.

A White House staff member said they made that up because of the growing speculation and were pleased as punch that they came up with something so fast to explain the jacket.

If it was a dig at the media, how immature is that? It was totally unnecessary to even put themselves in the position of having to explain themselves.

I don't think anyone is buying what they are selling. Even if it was about the media, it doesn't make any sense.

She was making a statement pure and simple.

Could you even imagine any other first lady in history ever wearing those words most expecially in a situation like this.

I think what everyone is failing to recognize in this whole media hyped debacle is that if I, A UNITED STATES CITIZEN, have my child with me when I am arrested, I will be incarcerated and that child will not be incarcerated with me -- we will BE SEPARATED! I think that in most "civilized" countries that if you have a kid with you when you are incarcerated, that that child does not go to jail with you, but is sent elsewhere. So now we're supposed to have "family jails" for people from other counties who are NOT citizens and have broken our laws. ? Can we get those for our legal citizens?

Wow....absolutly children don't go to jail with the parent...they are placed with family or fosters....NOT THROWN IN A CAGE.

drewsmaga --there are so many posts here it may be too much for you to read them all. I explained in detail previously. If YOU are arrested and incarcerated, there will be a time lapse. The court will check to see the best place for your child, perhaps with a relative, perhaps in foster care. BUT, YOU will have time to tell your children not to worry in words they will understand and that you will be able to call/see them from time to time. YOU will know WHERE your children are. There's a big difference between the way YOU would be treated if YOU were sentenced to prison and what is happening here. I don't think that's hard to understand.

I don't see that post in my feed. How do you have this information? Do you work in the legal system?

bleusblue2

drewsmaga, here's a source from the The Bureau of Justice Assistance, the International Association of Chiefs of Police and the US Justice Dept. Some highlights showing the vast differences between how American children and immigrant children are treated. American children are not separated from their parents and locked in cages or rooms with strangers.

"It is the policy of this department that officers will be trained to identify and respond effectively to a child, present or not present, whose parent is arrested in order to help minimize potential trauma and support a child’s physical safety and well-being following an arrest."

"Second, whenever reasonably possible, a child who may be affected by parental arrest should not be placed in the custody of a law enforcement agency or CWS, but rather be placed temporarily with a caregiver, often the other parent, a close relative, or family friend. Custody provided by law enforcement or CWS may in some instances be the only, if not the best option, particularly when a responsible adult who is able to serve as a caregiver cannot readily be located. But, custody of this type should not be routinely regarded as the only or even the best option. Custody by a law enforcement agency or CWS can have a significant negative emotional impact on a child adding to the trauma of parent-child separation that the arrest may cause and possibly creating an enduring stigmatization"

"When it is appropriate and safe to do so, the parent should be given the opportunity to speak to the child, explain what is happening and reassure him or her that arrangements will be made for his or her care and safety. Parents should also be given first consideration to identify someone who they feel would be most suitable and best situated to take care of their child."

"Parents have the right to express their preference in where they would like their child to be housed and the person(s) who should provide care and supervision."

"Law enforcement agency policy must require that whenever an arrest is made, the existence of an arrestee’s child, whether present or not, be noted in the arrest report along with related documentation that will allow the department and others to monitor the safety and well-being of the child."

http://www.theiacp.org/model-policy/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/07/Safeguarding-Children-of-Arrested-Parents-Final_Web_v3.pdf

Drewsmaga, they weren't criminals until Sessions designated them as such in April. The policy was changed to criminally prosecute them and take the children to act as a deterrent, as pawns in this immigration mess. Traumatizing innocent children became policy. The second reason is so they can campaign for the mid-term elections that trump is tough on illegal immigration. If trump can motivate his base to vote and Republicans keep the House, he can enact even worse policies on us. I shudder to think of trump with unfettered power for two more years.

And she's an immigrant herself along with the chain migration of her parents and sister. She should take a translator. I can't understand a word she says. Finding out the kids would be incarcerated for 45 days, she said "that's great". Now let me put my don't give a F jacket on.

Hi Drewsmaga -- I wasn't being sarcastic when I said I'd already posted about that -- just being understanding that there are so MANY to look at that you might have missed it. I just looked and now I see I must have posted that in the other forum. Sorry. No. I am not in the legal profession. We don't need legal knowledge to know thatwhen parents are incarcerated they certainly know WHERE their children are taken at the minimum.

I don't know about you all, but I'm getting dizzy from shaking my head so much, every day, at the antics of our politics. What are these people really thinking? I can't imagine any other reason for wearing a coat with that saying, unless it is meant literally! A talking head, said he thought it was a private statement , in a public venue. After this is over, maybe someone will write a book, explaining it all.