Kitchen layout for new build - advice, por favor
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Comments (7)Can you post a floor plan with dimensions? It's really hard to provide feedback off of elevation images. For instance, your ovens seem like they are outside of the kitchen work area. I wouldn't like that at all. Can you shift the entry into the kitchen (the one that separates the fridge and oven area)? If so, then you can get the ovens into the main part of the kitchen. If you post a whole house floor plan, we can see what suggestions might work for you. The other thing I notice is that if anyone needs anything out of the fridge during dinner time, he or she will need to cut through the cooking zone to get to the fridge. I can't tell if you have the room but perhaps arranging the appliances with fridge closest to the table, then DW, then sink with the range on the wall where the fridge is would work well. Then you could put a prep sink in the island....See MoreLayout advice for new build, please?
Comments (9)Warning...In all care and concern for you having the best kitchen possible, and because I think this is almost a great layout, I'm going to fight you on the prep sink issue. ;-) Please bear with me and read through... If you're concerned about losing counter space, keep in mind how much more than you had before. If you place a prep sink on the corner of the island, you'd still have approximately 6 feet of prep space in front of the range. That's 3 1/2 feet more than I have, and I wouldn't trade my prep sink to have more. Keeping it to the corner of the island would make it accessible from the end of the island for others to use it without getting in your way, and it leaves more of the island free for people sitting or spreading out a buffet. (For a buffet, you can put ice in the sink and keep cans of soda/beer or display dishes of things that need to stay cold, like shrimp.) Here are the ways we use ours that I shared in another recent discussion here: Washing and paring veggies, chicken, etc. for cooking. Draining and filling pots for beans, pasta, etc. Adding water and draining veggies steamed in the microwave. Washing gooey hands and adding water to baking projects. Filling the dog's water dish. Filling water pitchers to take to the table. Washing hands. Washing fruit for snacks. Filling water bowls for water color painting. Wetting down soil when using my island as my gardening station for starting seedlings. ;-) ...All sorts of things! I so love tending to food without working over dirty dishes. Mostly, it is an essential part of dividing my kitchen into work zones, which allows efficient work paths for different tasks (when working alone or with someone) and separates different work areas so that when there are additional workers or visitors in the kitchen, no one is under someone else's feet or fighting for the same sink or work space convenient to it. Swapping the fridge and oven would help if you're absolutely against having a prep sink, since then the island wouldn't be a barrier between fridge and sink. That swap would give you more room for a baking center, but again, a prep sink on that corner of the island will be of benefit for those tasks. When/if you ever have little ones under your feet, having a sink just a turn from the stove will be safer when moving to drain a pot of hot water, and later it will allow them to more easily work with you. This is a big change from what you've had, and you want it to serve you through entertaining much more and possibly through raising a family. Try to look beyond what you're used to and plan for the best in the busiest use of the kitchen you can possibly think of. Is a prep sink an absolute necessity? Maybe not...But you're planning a large, first class kitchen with a lot of use from what you're saying you want to do with it... Why leave out something that could be so valuable? Where are you planning to store dishes? I'd place the dishwasher to whichever side of the sink that puts it closest to the dish storage. Here is my kitchen layout and how the work zones and traffic patterns work. You can see that without the prep sink, there'd be much more running around, people crossing each other's paths, and too many uses for the main sink. As I said above, I do NOT miss prepping food over dirty dishes. You may never have many dishes in the sink at this point in your lives, but I'm betting large group entertaining and kids will change that. Best wishes! Here is a link that might be useful: Recent posts about kitchen zones on my blog...See MoreNew build kitchen layout advice needed
Comments (16)Here's an idea: The counters and cabinets along the perimeter are all 3" deeper than standard: 28.5" deep counters 27" deep base cabinets 15" deep upper cabinets The deeper cabinets provide a lot more storage and the deeper counters provide more workspace. If your cabinetmaker does not offer 27" deep base cabinets, then simply pull standard depth base cabinets out 3" from the wall. Most, if not all, cabinetmakers offer 15" deep uppers. The Cleanup Zone and Dish Storage are near the Dining Room for ease of setting the table and cleaning off the table. They're also a direct shot from the Living Room. Dish Storage is in a 30" wide dish hutch. The upper cabinet goes from the counter up to the ceiling (or however high your uppers go). This gives you a lot of storage space for dishes, glasses, etc. With the deeper counters, the upper cabinet of the hutch is 15" deep so you can fit all your plates and platters. The two Prep Zones are separated from the Cleanup Zone, which allows you to have someone cleaning up while others are prepping/cooking. With two "primary" Prep Zones, you can have two people doing major prep work at the same time. It also provides you with a choice of where to prep - on the island or b/w the range and cleanup sink. As your toddler grows up, s/he will be helping in the Kitchen, so you will each have your own space! It also allows guests, etc., to help out during get togethers. With the prep sink offset, you have a wonderful expanse of workspace for large projects such as baking, cookie decorating, crafts, school/science projects, wrapping gifts, staging food during parties, etc. Both the MW drawer & wine cooler are on the sides of the island to keep people out of the main work zones. It really doesn't matter which side of the island they're on - you can switch them. I can argue for/against both arrangements. The refrigerator & freezer are on the periphery of the Kitchen for the same reason. The trash pullout is located so it's easily accessible from both Prep Zones, the Cooking Zone, and the Cleanup Zone as well as on the periphery. Small Appliances...There's a mixer lift for your stand mixer and the other small appliances can be stored in the 27" wide drawer bank across from the mixer lift. No appliance garage, but in all honesty, most people end up taking them out when they remodel b/c they take up too much counterspace and the what counterspace there is in front of the garage is useless b/c you don't want to block access. Better to store them where they can be easily accessed without having to move things around or even to shuffle appliances around in a smaller space inside a garage. With the drawers, they're all accessible without shuffling or taking up valuable counterspace. If there's room, you could also store them in the Pantry - 12" deep shelves hold the vast majority of standard small appliances. Cookbooks could be stored in the shelves of the 24" upper cabinet, if you'd like. I ended up storing mine in an upper cabinet next to my hood b/c I forgot to plan for them and that location is actually working out quite well! They're right were I need them! If you have dozens of cookbooks, they probably won't all fit, but you could at least store your most used cookbooks there on 1 or 2 shelves. I put in the Savigny range. It's still quite large, but at least you gained a few inches of workspace! The pantry is a reach-in, possibly step-in pantry with only 12" deep shelves. Built-in pantries are much more efficient and flexible storage if their shelves are not too deep - and they're less expensive! They provide a full view of what you have so there's no opening/closing drawers or roll out tray shelves looking for something Shelves can be adjustable for not only flexible storage initially, but if your needs change later, you can re-adjust them. If needed, you can store larger items on the floor. You have access to the entire space for storage - floor to ceiling. You can even use the side walls to hang a broom or mop. The "sweet spot" for pantry shelf depth is 12". Just about everything will fit on 12" deep shelves - cereal boxes, rolls of paper towels, cans, boxes, small appliances (food processors, mixers, blenders, breadmakers, standard size toaster ovens, toasters, waffle irons, etc.). The shallow depth doesn't allow you to store things too deep so things do not get lost. If you're concerned about organization, get bins or similar to organize smaller items on the shelves. The problem with 24" deep pantry cabinets is that they are not particularly flexible, things get lost in the back and in the "middle" of the roll out tray shelves (especially those above your chest), and if you're not quite sure where something is, you have to open/close multiple drawers/roll out tray shelves looking for the item. In addition, you only have "access" to the internal height of the pantry cabinet - usually quite a bit less than floor-to-ceiling b/c of toekick and limited cabinet heights available, Oh, and they're expensive. . Layout #1: . Layout #1 Zone Map: ....See MoreNew Build Layout Advice
Comments (14)Pantry is useless. There is no way you'll be able to get into the back with it being 2'6"! That's the minimum you need for walking space in to the pantry. Guest bedroom closet will also be a problem with one door and getting to the sides. If you're keeping the kitchen layout as is, you really need a prep sink on the island for better work flow. We take food out of the pantry/fridge, bring it to the sink to prep (hopefully without crossing a work zone like in this case), prep next to the sink and then bring the food to the cooktop to cook. And even with your cleanup sink being by the window, the dishwasher should be on the left side so it's not in the secondary prep zone. What is the thing in the mudroom? The mudroom is too narrow. Get the fireplace out of the corner. Worst place for arranging furniture. Get rid of the angle on the study door and put the door in the foyer. Angled walls make furniture arranging harder and in reality in a house look strange. Are you in a warm climate where you don't need a coat closet in the foyer? Add more windows. Windows should be on 2 walls in every room. You can always put window coverings up. You can't add more natural light after the fact. Make the back wall of the kitchen all window and ditch the overhead cabinets, If you do your lowers as all drawers you won't need as many uppers, However if your kitchen faces west, disregard this info and then I'd rethink the whole house because it will not be comfortable to live in, Instead of the walk in closet in the bonus room, I'd get rid of that and have a reach in that acts as a barrier between the master and the bonus room. That will help with any noise traveling. Not a fan of the disconnected master closets where one person has to walk clear across the room to get to/from the bathroom. Master closets should be nearer the bathroom. Put the master toilet up against the left wall and make the vanity longer. Then add a half wall or even a full wall so when you walk in the toilet isn't in full view. This will also. Add windows on the master bedroom right side wall Add another window in bedroom 2. What do the elevations look like? What direction is the front of the house?...See MoreKristin S
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