picea omorika vs abies concolor
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Comments (9)Thanks guys. I'm in Illinois, made the 8 hour round trip drive to RFWP last Labor Day. I wish I could hop over to see Rich when I needed a new conifer. RFWP is where the 'Niagara Falls' came from that I'm replacing here. I found the one super draining spot in my yard and we have a hot/dry spring and it caught me slipping, nothing but crispy snapping branches. Of course the Sciadopitys and 'Chief Joseph' I planted October 30th are doing great this spring. Local nursery is expanding their conifers also, for the larger stuff I'll probably special order from Iseli through them. Anyhow, glad I stumbled onto Porterhowse, dunno why I haven't used them before. Been to their website more than a few times. Going to get something in from Don next week, still negotiating cultivars. I did read your big pix post Dax, not sure how Abies procera ÂDelbar Cascade passed me by. That might end up being the one. Thanks, Dave...See MoreAbies concolor 'Candicans'
Comments (13)Thanks everyone. I have seen several 'Candicans' at nurseries, growing as b and b or container stock and while very blue in color they just don't seem as full and thick as species concolor. ==>>> you dont know where this type of stock spent its youth ... concolor is bulletproof in MI ... including this last z4 winter ... no damage at all ... crushed leaves.. smell of grapefruit.. totally amazing,... and candicans sapphire blue cones are incredible.. in about 10 years ... there is also a yellow version .. though it takes a few years for it to get big enough.. to show off its coloration ... i seem to have a prostrate version.. which joy says doesnt exist ... time will tell if it decides to grow toward the sky ... there are also some dwarfs ... scooter i think .... ken ps: now that my candicans is getting past 15 feet ... it is getting a bit ugly .......See MorePicea glauca 'Pendula' VS Picea omorika 'Pendula Bruns'
Comments (36)I agree and thanks guys for pointing me in the right direction, I really like the curves compared to my straight lines on the dog bone bed. The curves on the bed connecting the arbor will make my picea pungens 'hoopsii' and Picea glauca 'pendula' really pop! I like this much more than the round circle I had before that made these trees blend in. Dave perhaps this fall I will take measurements off my yard and work on this over winter. Right now I just want to get a basic scetch of what I think could look good. I won't be putting these beds in until fall 2012. Tonight I'll lay the roundup down for the arbor bed, mark the spot for the plants, etc to get it ready to plant in 6 weeks pending weather. A garden hose is definitely easier to use and lay out curves, I just use rope because the beds are very large. Just an example, the bed I have to the right of my house, I have about 400' of rope down to create this bed. The cost of rope is much less than the cost of hose. When I add those 3 beds to the back yard I'll lay out all 3 beds at once just to make sure I really like it. If I do one bed at a time with my water hose, I may not like the overall design once all 3 beds are in place. What looks great on paper could look bad in person and vise versa. I use 1/2 pink hose, it shows up pretty good and I can easily see the layout from the second story window. I took your design and modified the middle bed to force the design to stay out in the yard and not so close to the house. I couldn't have it wrap around the kidney bed like you have it only because it would have put the small bed to the far right of your scetch in the back deck. With this design, I should have around 20' of space. I may or may not make the middle bed arch out on the other side a little instead of a half circle. It'll depend on how much room I'll have....See MoreDiffering needs of Abies and Picea
Comments (11)Tom: Where am I? I am at my timberland, trying to clear the right-of-way for a road I am having constructed across the wetland that divides the front part of my land from the back. I have a bad back (spinal fusion in 1973), a right shoulder recovering from surgery, and now my left shoulder with an old rotator cuff tear acting up. I am a basket case but still struggling ahead. AAARRRGGH! the trials of aging! Well, as for this question, all I can offer is a weak theory. I have talked about the drought tolerance of NS here before, so I won't repeat it except to say it seems to me to be extreme. I have not observed enough fir trees to be able to make a comparison between Abies and Picea in any way at all. But what you describe seems to me to be potentially a soil/acid rain problem. A few years ago in parts of Germany there was lot of publicity for a problem with "forest death" --"waldsterben." In the Black forest, the main tree affected was Norway spruce. I am not familiar with the latest research on this, but at one time it was thought to be a result of sulphur dioxide pollution. I am not sure if the effect was something directly affecting the foliage, or if it was something that affected the soil and the availability of nutrients. If the latter, one theory was that some soils had more of a "buffering capability" than others. A local forester told me that the soils here in Garrett County, MD had a fairly good buffering capability compared to some of the soils in other areas affected by acid rain. To the east of here, where acid rain is not so much of a problem, the NS is doing exceptionally well in recent years. Here in Garrett county, in some areas it seems improved, in others it is much as it was 20 years ago. There is not enough Abies around here to make any observation at all. NS needs some fair amount of soil calcium and magnesium. If I had any NS in your area I would test the soil for calcium and magnesium, and if not at least moderately high, I would add a fair amount of "high-mag" pulverized limestone and see if after a few years there were not some improvement. If so, you might be closer to an answer. But of course, none of what I say here adresses your question about the comparison between Abies and Picea, unless Picea has a need for a higher amount of calcium and magnesium, of if Abies foliage is more resistant to sulphur dioxide. P.S. A quick google search turned up the information that two of the most affected species of waldsterben in Germany were NS and silver fir. --Spruce...See Moresplaker
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