My 2 CPMs are monsters here I could never fit them on oblisks. One hogs a 10ft fence going in all directions. The other is climbing its very own fig tree lol. I think you have a better climate for CPM than I do. I think it likes winter chill to flower. When our winters are cold it flowers better here. If CPM is cane hardy for you, I would get as big of an oblisk as you can find and sturdy.

I would never put CPM in an obelisk unless you get no cane survival like here exposed to -26 F and no snow cover. That rose is manerly for now. Snow cover allows total cane survival here and CPM gets to be GIANT! I am putting that rose in a corner of a fence that faces SE and putting braces across the corner so she can spread and grow and not eat the other plants. :)

Rebecca

Which Cinderella? I know there's a couple but I think the only one you could put on a trellis is the Kordes' Fairytale one.

I'm trying to plan my own obelisks, so I can't help much there, but from all my reading here I will say to choose materials carefully and plant the rose outside the structure. Good luck, and show us pictures! They'll be beauties.

I'll be putting my CPM on the side of the house now lol! That was my original plan, then I thought I'd put her in the north bed on an obelisk. If she's that vigorous in z4 she'll need the house!

Although a wide enough obelisk will take a fair amount of cane to circle, if you're wrapping the rose. I'll try to do some math see how it works out.

Edit: Here's my crack at the math, based on my own (preliminary) obelisk dimensions ( 1'x1' square, about 6 1/2' tall)

The circumference of the rose cylinder created with the canes would be roughly 4.71' (3.14*1.5), so round that up to 5' even, assuming you want to wrap it 4 times completely around this obelisk and we're at 20 feet of cane around the obelisk!

That's just around the obelisk - you'd still need 2-3 more feet if you plant the rose to the side and pull it onto the structure.

So CPM can be put on an obelisk, but it would be more work than letting it grow along a fence or wall with a trellis.

Hmm. Well, there is space to put more support. The good news is I didn't buy anything because the US is sorely lacking in good rose supports. I'll just leave her be and see how big she wants to get.

She was a bit of an impulse purchase. (i.e. on sale).

Yep, the Cinderella is the Kordes' Fairytale one - Swarthmore rose garden has a lovely one, and I thought it would be a great idea.

You might want to try local greenhouses... One of ours has an “iron man” that comes through every year. I got 5 obelisks there last year. One is 6’ tall and 1’ square. I love it so much, I am putting J.P. Connell in it, which only grows to 5’ and 2’ wide. It is cane hardy, and I want to see the obelisk above the rose.

It’s the obelisk on the right. It will take the place of the one that is directly left of it. We are having the never ending winter here, so it may be June before I can accomplish that. :)

Another thought is to contact an iron works place to see if they will build you one.

Rebecca

Wow, just goes to show you what a little (OK a lot) of snow cover can make in a rose and how it grows. Rebecca is a zone colder than I am, but my CPM fits quite comfortably wound around an obelisk the size of the one on the right above, and its canes are ridiculously floppy to the point of lying on the ground as their only option if I don't wind them around something. That's because my CPM gets little to no consistent snow cover and is pruned to the ground each spring, so it's always regrowing new cane and that's always flexible for me. It also means my CPM almost never blooms though it regrows pretty rapidly in the summer, since mine only blooms on old wood growth.

OTOH, my Cinderella FT grows in the form Rebecca showed for her CPM and the canes are so stiff I can't picture winding them around anything. My Cinderella can only dream of blooming as well as Rebecca's CPM picture though, since I find mine is among the less hardy Kordes roses I have - it survives fine but loses a majority of its canes over the winter.

And yes, it's snowing today too after being 63 yesterday and there's more snow due this weekend. NOT FAIR. Sometimes we're flirting with being done with frost by mid-April but that is soooo not happening this year. I just barely sneaked out to get the peas and lettuce and such planted yesterday, and that's weeks later than I'd usually do so. Grump. I want spring. I had to break the ice in the water where my bare root roses were soaking and that does not make for a happy rose gardener (the roses BTW were fine under the layer of ice).

Cynthia

Hey, Cynthia!! Hope all is well!! My CPM that doesn’t get snow cover has slightly weaker canes, but not much, and it is a blooming machine all summer. I use 1/4 cup Osmocote on it in the early spring. I know that’s what makes all the difference in my roses. The Osmocote with the pink cap. It’s so handy to fertilize once a year and then forget about it.

I should mention that when I plant a new David Austin Rose, I do use their rose food because you can put it directly above the roots as you plant the rose and it gives that rose a boost in the first year. After that, it’s back to Osmocote.

Rebecca

You do not need a support for Cinderella FT. It stands up very well on its own, being a super vigorous, sturdy plant. I have removed both of mine as they are the worst offenders in the balling department here, and has scare repeat. Probably is more suitable for a drier climate. It grows to small climber height here, but really, to me at least, is a shrub rose.

After four/five years, and the girth of their trunks is like a small tree.

CPM can be a self-support bush as well. Mine leans against a small wall. Its canes are far more lax than those of CFT, and have very few thorns. I peg some of them from time to time. A great rose to work with. CFT is thorny and stiff.

Thanks for the tips Rebecca. I would love to have my CPM look a fraction as nice as yours. I do use the Osmocote on established roses, and give everything a boost of alfalfa, 10-10-10 and Ironite in the spring. Doesn't seem to make a difference for the most part, but I keep trying. Definitely doesn't do the trick for CPM, but it's such a modest sized rose wound around its obelisk that it gets to stay for the hope that next year it'll bloom. Maybe mine could be pen pals with your CPM and yours can give mine a pep talk or something.

Cynthia

SO funny Cynthia! Your CPM should be dancing a jig with that kind of treatment! Maybe yours just needs time. Mine came own root from DAR and they were gigantic right from the start. Maybe yours just needs time to develop under the dirt before it struts it’s stuff.

Rebecca