Crown Princess Margareta
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Comments (20)Sorry for not responding. I happened to revisit this thread and saw your question. I've done this with lots of Austins and OGR roses. I plant the rooted cuttings about a foot to a foot and a half away from the mother. As they grow up the whole thing forms what looks like one really big bush. Odd numbers of plants seem to look better so either 3 or 5 together. David Austin actually recommends doing this on his website to achieve a more filled out cottage style effect. Although that look isn't really achieved until all of the plants have about 3 years or more to grow to a more mature size. Actually you can see the mother plant of the CPM growing behind the one blooming in the photo. Now, a year later since I'm responding so late, all three plants are about the same size. About 5.5 to 6 feet tall. The three together are about an area that is 5.5 to 6 feet wide. Right next to this CPM is a red moss, a Salet, and Issac Pereire that I've done the same thing with. In the winter you can easily distinguish the separate bushes, but during the growing season, when everything is growing full blast, it really looks like one big and very full bush. They really don't have any problems growing closely together. In the spring I might prune out a dead cane or two, or ones that might be crossing badly, but I tend to prune as little as I have to anyway....See MoreAdvice for my Crown Princess Margareta climber
Comments (9)Rick, excellent question and one which has never been answered adequately. IMO. In 'The English Roses' (Timber Press, 2005) where Austin has grouped his roses he lists the following as being capable shrub-climbers. The only criteria I could figure out was: they grew 25% taller against a wall. An 8 footer became a 10 footer (mind you this is in England). Perhaps bushiness was a disqualification? Not stated. Some vy. tall roses omitted. A Shropshire Lad (leander grp.) James Galway (leander grp.) -- (8ft on pillar, 10ft on wall) Malvern Hills (musk grp.) St. Swithun (old rose hybrid grp.) Snow Goose (musk grp.) Spirit of Freedom (old rose hybrid grp.) The Generous Gardener (musk grp.) The Pilgrim (musk grp.) Another Austin book: says 'Falstaff' is too bushy to be considered a natural climber but grown against a wall will attain medium height (so bushiness is considered). At the Austin site: Crown Princess Margareta was classed as a very large shrub for the back of the border. A different place at the site classed her as a rose for small arch or pillar. Maybe you can figure out something from this mish-mash of information. I've decided shrub-climber is the best term. A shrub doesn't need support and the climber part alerts you that it's going to be tall. Your Crwn.Prin.Marg. is going to be gorgeous whichever way you choose (support or free form)....See MoreSize of obelisk for crown princess margareta? (Also Cinderella)
Comments (12)Wow, just goes to show you what a little (OK a lot) of snow cover can make in a rose and how it grows. Rebecca is a zone colder than I am, but my CPM fits quite comfortably wound around an obelisk the size of the one on the right above, and its canes are ridiculously floppy to the point of lying on the ground as their only option if I don't wind them around something. That's because my CPM gets little to no consistent snow cover and is pruned to the ground each spring, so it's always regrowing new cane and that's always flexible for me. It also means my CPM almost never blooms though it regrows pretty rapidly in the summer, since mine only blooms on old wood growth. OTOH, my Cinderella FT grows in the form Rebecca showed for her CPM and the canes are so stiff I can't picture winding them around anything. My Cinderella can only dream of blooming as well as Rebecca's CPM picture though, since I find mine is among the less hardy Kordes roses I have - it survives fine but loses a majority of its canes over the winter. And yes, it's snowing today too after being 63 yesterday and there's more snow due this weekend. NOT FAIR. Sometimes we're flirting with being done with frost by mid-April but that is soooo not happening this year. I just barely sneaked out to get the peas and lettuce and such planted yesterday, and that's weeks later than I'd usually do so. Grump. I want spring. I had to break the ice in the water where my bare root roses were soaking and that does not make for a happy rose gardener (the roses BTW were fine under the layer of ice). Cynthia...See MoreCrown Princess Margareta or Teasing Georgia for a east wall in zone 6
Comments (16)I have both CPM and TG, both in the ground for three years now. How much sun does the east side of your house get? I have TG on the east side of mine, and that's maybe 4 hours of morning sun tops due to two massive trees. She hasn't grown a lot but she has been fairly hardy and disease resistant. I've gotten very little rebloom from her but she's notoriously slow about that, so I can't say if it's shade/water or if she's still gearing up. I'm wondering now if she's getting enough water there, based on what others in this thread say. She might get moved next year. CPM I had in a spot much like StrawChicago - clay soil, 4 hours of afternoon sun. Mine was under the canopy of a massive oak tree, and that soil is some of the worst in my yard to be fair. More clay than soil I think! She never bloomed in that spot, and never really grew. Maybe the soil was too heavy and she wasn't getting as much water as I thought. I have a polyantha, 'Sweet Pea', in that bed who's done alright, but started as a two gallon plant where CPM was a one gallon. I moved CPM this spring to a spot with much fluffier soil (still clay but soooo much easier to dig in) and more sun and she's doubled in size already and has two blooms!...See Morekittymoonbeam
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