Very pretty rose. Hope someone will ID this rose for you.

Good Luck ;)

Jin

There’s a good chance that is ‘Fun Jwan Lo’, a rootstock.

That looks like a good ID to me, too.

What Paul and Kim said.

And I'm fairly familiar with it. Early on, we collected two of them. One grew straight up my retaining wall and started hinting that it would like to come in through the window.
Mine smelled deliriously of violets.

Nice to know. I will try rooting it and add it to the China section in the park's garden.

What name would "Fun Jwan Lo" have gone by, if used as a rootstock? Would a nurseryman 90-years old know it as something else?

I will check with Bruce. He recently told me that at one time they switched rootstocks from something really prickly to something less so. It made the budders work so much faster. I have some more suspected rootstocks in the garden to show him when they bloom shortly. I think they might be the 'really prickly' ones that he mentioned.

I do a lot of fruit tree grafting. What about budding some other roses onto some of the rootstocks? Fruit tree grafters have helpful guides for what fruit wood to graft onto what rootstock. Is there a similar guide for roses? Compatibilities? We will leave one bush intact for demo but we were thinking of removing the other. Would budding a rose onto established rootstock be a good or bad idea or at least educational?

Janet

Probably most widely called "Odorata". Here's one in bloom . . .

lovely! The one in the garden was 15 feet looking for sun. So it can be kept shorter. Once blooming? I don't think mine was terribly fragrant, but it has been cold.

I just happened to have the 1918 catalog open and noticed that it says this:

Someday I will go through and see what rootstocks they used in all the different years. Of course, this predates Bruce ;O)

I suspect that for roses shipped to colder climates they would avoid Fun Jwan Lo.

And yes, it can be kept smaller, but it can also climb tall trees at a single bound.

Though I didn't find it listed in any of the catalogs I archived on Help Me Find for California Nursery Company, Odorata was sold for many years as a garden rose, just as Dr. Huey was and still is. Those plants may be the remnants of garden plants or stock plants or they may be escaped stocks. Who's to say they were even produced by the company? They could have been obtained and planted from other sources.

There was discussion in the 1930s, particularly by Dr. J.H. Nicholas, about which stock seemed better for which rose class, but that wasn't as important as what stock was the most universally suited across the country. You didn't want to bud cold hardy door yard roses to Gloire des Rosomanes or Odorata then ship them to climates too cold for them. Nor did you want to supply the arid, alkaline areas with multiflora (which entered the picture later than those) as it isn't happy in alkaline, dry, compacted soil. Wichurana hybrids are as they secrete acids in their root zones to help alleviate the alkalinity. Based upon where the majority of their sales occurred, the stock best suited was usually selected. A few tried using multiple stocks for different zones but it usually proved too expensive and led to left over plants they had to move or destroy. Economies of scale made it easier and more profitable to use one stock and leave it at that, which is what producers do now and have for decades.

I wasn't quite sure if you were suggesting budding roses to fruit stocks. That is thought to be why the fruit viruses (apple mosaic virus - referred to as rose mosaic virus, prunus necrotic ringspot virus and strawberry ringspot virus) are in our rose product. It's suspected it resulted from Luther Burbank's propagation experiments.

Oh, haha, no, not budding onto fruit rootstock.

We have some nasty prickly rose bushes (suspected rootstock?) in our garden that got away years ago. We are going to make sure that's what they are (rootstock) this coming year and not some rare rose. Then dig them out and replant. But wanted to consider budding, especially if that would be good way to quickly add a new rose to the garden.

I won't be using the "Fun Jwan Lo" for grafting.

If the stock is virus free, definitely root pieces after appropriately disbudding them so there won't be suckers, then bud away! Now is the time to root pieces for root stocks so they can be budded this summer.

What does that mean "appropriately disbudding"?