Hi Emmeline,

I have two ideas for you. The first you may have already tried. Have you written to les Amis des Roses Nabonnand? Here is a link to the web page: http://www.rosesnab.asphora.com/accueil.html

You may have already written to them, but if not, it might be worth doing. They do not list this rose as being in commerce -- perhaps they have a reason to believe the one in commerce in the US is not correctly identified? I wonder where the rose in the US came from, if it is not in a European rose collection.

My second idea is this. I know they don't offer it in their catalogue, but if anyone in France knows where you might get it, or how you could import it, it would be the Hooks at the Roseraie du Désert: http://www.frenchtearose.com/

They have grown a lot of tea roses in both the US and in France, and may have some ideas for you. Also, if you want any other rare Nabonnand tea roses to accompany the Comtesse de Guigné in your garden, now is the time to get them. Their roseraie is for sale, so when it sells there is no guarantee that many of the roses they offer will still be available in France in the future.

I would volunteer to bring one over for you the next time I go to France, but I am afraid that the phytosanitary restrictions are very strict, so I probably can't do that. I believe that mailing or carrying plant material between the US and France is very heavily regulated -- even for cuttings. There are good reasons for that, including, for example, rose rosette disease: a truly terrible rose disease we have here in the US that has not yet shown up in Europe. If anyone has information to the contrary, I would be interested to hear from them.

The Hooks, who run Roseraie du Désert, might be able to help you get paperwork in order for importation, but it is likely to cost quite a bit.

I hope this helps!

K

You might also like to try;-

Rosarium Sangerhausen, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany

and

Roseto Fineschi, Arezzo, Italy

both have huge collections of rare roses, over 6000 each.

I hope you find your rose, I can see how it means a lot to you.

Sangerhausen

Fineschi

Thank you so much for your answers!! I contacted les Amis des roses Nabonnand, I'm still waiting for their response.

I'll contact the Hooks and the different roseraies you mention. I'll let you know. Thanks again.

Emmeline

Emmeline, did you know that there are TWO roses named after your ancestor? One is the tea from Nabonnand, the other is a hybrid tea from Puyravaud. Unfortunately the hybrid tea seems to be completely out of commerce. But here is a link to what information there is on HelpMeFind:

CEdG (Puyravaud)

In case you've not seen the photos already, here is the link to the Nabonnand rose, just click the photo tab at the top of the page:
CEdG (Nabonnand)

Also, when you go to HelpMeFind, when you click on the photo tab you'll notice pictures by the member Marcir. He lives in Switzerland and grew the rose in 2009. Even if he no longer has it, he might be able to tell you where he got his plant. You'll have to join HMF before you can send him a message, but basic membership is free.

Once you join, you can search for Marcir by going to the main page and clicking on PEOPLE/HMF Members (lower left of the page) and entering his name, or you can go back to the photos of CEdG and click on his name by the photo and it will take you to his page. Once on his page, you'll see "SEND PM". Click on that to send a private message.

Best of luck!

John

There are three places I have found that are currently listing this rose although it may not be in stock at the moment. Rose Petals Nursery in Newberry, Florida, Rogue Valley Roses in Phoenix, Oregon, and Roses Unlimited in Laurens, South Carolina all list that rose. The Dobson/Schneider Combined Rose List book is quite helpful as a starting point for locating where to buy plants.

The_bustopher, the problem is that the original poster lives in France, which is why I suggested she get in touch with Marcir, and why all the European gardens and nurseries were mentioned. At least Marcir is in Europe, so presumably got his CEdG from a source that would be available to Emmeline ;)

Thank you so much! All try to find it first in Europe and if no luck I'll try to see if I can import one from the US. Thank you all again!!

P.S. Rogue Valley Roses in Oregon, U.S.A. occasionally carries the Tea rose named 'Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne' Lux.

Hi Emmeline,

if you´re still looking for a Emmeline de Guigné Rose (Tea) - I have got one : ) About 10 years ago a group of rose afficionados pooled together to order rare roses from the USA. There´s a procedure of clearance for the import to Europe to follow and we shared the cost. So I have this rose since than, aleady moved it once about 350 km from one garden to the next when we moved. It´s quite a bush now so I would not mind cutting some off. The only problem is I never made cuttlings before and don´t know when and how so I would need a good description for that.

Feel free to contact me : )

It is a lovely and very healthy rose !

I got three tea roses back than. One didn´t make it, the other two are simply adorable. It´s the Comtesse Emmeline and a Sawyer´s Plot Tea. They´re both vigourous and very healthy, not at all the "divas" one assumes when it comes to tea roses : )

Somebody upthread asked how it comes that these roses are still in existence in the USA but not available in Europe anymore. Once there where so many roses on the market that not all of them survived changes of fashion. Because of the mild climate in the South the US many roses survived on old plots, gardens of old mansions, in parks and on cemeteries. There are rose afficionados over there who systematically search for these roses and identify. Some nurseries put them back on the market.

I ordered the Comtesse Emmeline from Roses Unlimited back in 2005.

How tall is anyone's Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne, please? Mine is still short at about 2 years old. It is about the size of Devoniensis which is also small. I wish they both would grow.

2 years is not very long for a rose. It will grow once it´s fully established. I don´t know how much experience you have with roses so I might be preaching to the choir here: to encourage growth you need to cut it : )

For a Tea rose, the advice has been not to prune, from experts here. I have long experience with growing roses, but not Tea roses because I moved warm only in 2015. These Teas can be slow to start but I will wait. I wondered how tall they eventually get over a longer period, if anyone knows. I have others that have taken off faster.

I had that advice, too. And did not dare pruning a lot in the beginning. Like I wrote, we moved and to take them along I cut them down heavily. I think they are build up much better and are stronger after regrowing from the cut (and the micro-climate of their new habitat is definetely not as good as the first). What other roses do you have ? My favorites are Bourbon roses and Damascenae

I have a broad variety of classes here. I grow European OGRs, DAs, Teas, Chinas species, ramblers, rugosas, Lady Banks. Basically 250 or so wide variety. I have a couple of modern roses at the most. The rate of growth varies widely My SdlM is also small here. I have my Comtesse Emmeline in a very favorable sunny, condition in the best soil. I love the Teas the most probably. The spinosissimas also are a love.

Sheila, do have the links showing your tea row and the new tea bed?

I would use the "Search in GardenWeb" feature in the box at top, and they will all pop up. Use the Tea garden phrase.