Darren, can you describe your climate and growing conditions? That can help with recommendations.

Virginia

Hey lovely

Sure! Well, I live in Liverpool England. Zone 8A I think? Winters aren’t that harsh - rarely do temperatures hit -4.

Our summers are pretty mild.

I dont know if this this is enough info? Apologies. I’m new At gardening. Ha ha. Forgive me. X

Darren, how big is this bed and what mature size do you envision? Is this a free-standing bed or does it back onto a wall or fence? While not an antique or DA, the Kordes rose "Zaide" has grown quite tall and bushy for me. I look forward to seeing some antique suggestions as I will need the same in the future.

In this situation, Hybrid Musks would probably make for a nice background. If you can discretely add some kind of wire fence between them, you can train them to grow into a sort of wall, so their spread will be flat rather than spilling in all directions. For something simple, pop some stakes in a line running just a bit behind where the roses would go, and string some horizontal lines of wire between them. Train the roses horizontally against these wires, and as they fill-in, you'll have a wall of blooms. Then, since many Hybrid Musks pause their bloom a bit during July and August, you can plant type-3 large-flowered clematis between the roses. They'll bloom during the roses' down-time, and in late Winter or early Spring, you just cut the clematis back to a few inches from the ground.

:-)

~Christopher

David Austin roses?

When you say -4, do you mean Celsius or Fahrenheit? (I know, silly question. But I actually don't know.) Do you have summer heat? How much precipitation? How tall do you have in mind? Some gardeners, when they say "tall" mean five feet, and others mean twenty feet. What are the dimensions of the bed where you're planting the roses? Is there something--a wall, a building--behind where you want to plant your roses? Do you know what you want to plant in front of the roses, and how tall it will get? Oh...I see Vaporvac already asked some of these questions. Also, what direction does the bed face: what kind of sun does it get? Do you want large-flowered roses, or can they have small blooms and lots of them? Knowing these things help give an idea of the space and its possibilities (and limits).

He means Celsius. The rest....I dunno.

:-)

~Christopher

He means Celsius. He's in England after all, I don't think they get -4F very often...

Darren, why don't you try to get the attention of Marlorena on this? I'm sure she can help you much better than most of us since she's in England and is very experienced. Daisyincrete also as she has gardened in England for long.

just to give my two pence worth, if we're talking modern roses I would look into the larger Austins or the Poulsen Renaissance series. They are very different in their growth pattern with the PRs tending to be more rigid and upright but they both tend to become quite tall even in your climate.

Lol. I am sorry I am laughing so hard...... ROFL

I know , I know.. Melissa got me cracking up so hard. It is legit serious questions . I know but I am reading it fast too.

I am just glad it is not me answering. Sorry. It is funny. I had a good , good laugh . Thanks guys :)

All you three play a part Melissa, Chris and Nik in making me laugh.

Thanks guys

Jin

'Kew Gardens'...and ....'Kew Gardens'.....and ...'Kew Gardens'... well, you know it gets monotonous, but this is not just another Austin, it's a Hybrid Musk and a magnificent shrub it its own right. It might not be everyone's idea of a rose either. No disease, no thorns, and in bloom from mid May to any month you like. 3 foot or 8 foot, no problem.

It doesn't need embellishments, but some yellow Foxgloves and the sparkling deep blue of Anchusa 'Loddon Royalist', both biennials, would make a pleasing effect, if you're into these kinds of plants too.

I happen to think it's the best thing that's ever been invented, well, I suppose a bit of nookie might be the other, but these days that's not so easy to come by..

Otherwise, the kind of vigour you're after would be the same as mine, I can't wait forever, so I'd stick with Austin's that grow in the 5 or 6 feet range, avoiding 'Wollerton Old Hall' as it just flops over, but any of the others...

Happy choosing... I envy your large garden... mine tends to go up in the sky, more acres up there...

Marlorena, if Darren wants a little variety, do you think 'Mutabilis' would be a good rose to plant with 'Kew Garden'?

Virginia

Darren, you have a bunch of roses ordered. Won't any of them be tall enough or are those ear marked for another area?

All the ones I would suggest, you already have coming. Hey, how about Ascot. Do you have that one ?

Virginia,.. that would make a spectacular combination, although I'm not sure how it would grow in Liverpool. For me it was wide spreading, and would push everything else out of the way, and I'm talking 10 foot wide if not severely hacked about, and so as a stand alone yes, but not mixed in with other roses. I also think it's more a rose for the collector rather than someone newer to roses... maybe later on for that one, as the interest develops..

The rose he really needs for his garden, although he may not realise this yet, is 'Bonica' and he should pick that up wherever he sees it, although I would grow this with darker coloured roses and shrubs, it's a very bright pink, but a perfect disease free rose for our modern gardens.

That is a good point Marlorena, that beginners like a more standard look often. Beautiful!

I love Bonica.It is beautiful just like the name. Perhaps in future.

Darren, I read your thread again and realized you were unsure what zone you are in . 9A

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-united-kingdom-plant-hardiness-zone-map-celsius.php&ved=2ahUKEwjG4NjPrOjYAhUCZKwKHU3wAwQQFjAKegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw2DFmjG8R4NOZkrEz1CRNeL

You have a lot of options when I Google on roses. So, I am sure more Rosarians, will give you a lot of choices.

I have zero pics sorry. I will give you 5 . Cornelia, Felicia, Penelope, Perle d'Or.

And G. Nabonnand.

I am deciding on purple for myself Ebb Tide, Twilight, Poseidon. ( 1 among 3).

Then I am going hard for DA.

I like Ascot also. There are 100's I have and I have to cut my list being 1st time.

Melissa is 100 % right. You are looking big or small. Like for me I wanted scented and cut flowers. Something that will grow in my climate.

Marlorena and Daisy will be a big help.

Jin

Jin, I planted a tiny little Twilight Zone in Sept. and in the dead of winter it has put on 3 blooms. I have a feeling that that is good to be a good one.

Hi everyone

This thread has been so informative for me. I apologise for giving such little info on my requirements, making it hard for you to make suggestions. However, my problems are now solved, thanks to your help! You’ve all been amazing.... and my new garden has turned into an unexpected on-line collaboration with most of you! For my vision and requirements, Kew Gardens and Bonita will most likely be perfect for what I want. So I’m going to buy those next week.

I’ve also learnt what Zone I’m in. Always cool to know if someone asks. I feel like a proper gardener now haha.

It’s such a shame you all don’t live close by. I’d love to invite you all round for tea and home-made scones one summers afternoon, to say thanks for all your help - and to enjoy the summer blooms in my garden. Pictures will have to do. :/

Not only have you given me solutions for my needs, you’ve also inspired me!

Thanks again. I’ll try not to post up as many threads in the future, asking for help, as I fear I’m starting to be a pain in the ass. Haha.

Love and appreciation,

D xXx

Darren, please post often, that's what makes this a true community and it is better with everyone's involvement. And yes, tea , scones and roses sounds lovely.

Daisy, you had a glorious garden there in Cornwall, I don't know how you do it, I wish I had your flair..

Darren, agree with Kristine, all we do is talk roses, so keep posting, it's never a pain but a lot of them are climate specific. You might also be wanting 'The Lark Ascending', as it really does ascend very, very quickly, straight up without need for support, and totally 100% disease free... lots of thorns though...

We do all our visiting cyber-electronically, so we'll look forward to those scones. A couple weeks ago I was in South Carolina having something called 'Hoppin' John'.. delicious too, no idea what was in it mind..

OMG, Daisy - I think that is the most beautiful garden I have ever seen!!!!! It's exactly the kind of wild, romantic cottage garden I've always dreamt of having. (Dreamy Sigh... ) I'm trying to recreate something similar - only in probably 1/10th of your space and in sunny, hot, dry Australia! (yes, don't tell me - I know I'm crazy...)