Consumer level "genetic testing" - not as advertised
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Comments (68)not harmed. as noted by many people, i just want to buy something at a price that fits my budget and know that i got the a reasonable deal. since i am a return customer who didn't use any real services from my local dealer to buy my dishwasher, if it weren't for the fixed pricing, i'm pretty sure he would have given me a slight discount. did i get harmed, no. but i think in many ways, it should be up to the dealer if he wants to reward me in some way for my business. but i see the benefits, too. but regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion in this matter, i can see that there are many here ;) the reason i started this whole query in the first place is one needs to compare apples and oranges: Bosch makes it hard since they fix their prices on their 800 plus series and allows dealers to discount the other product lines. that makes it very difficult to use the prices they list on their website to properly comparison shop. without some footwork, its not easy to get a real idea of the relative cost difference between different Bosch models. i also know where you are coming from (i think): i am a long time audiophile and seen way too many good stores go out of business because people used their services to pick their equipment and then they went ahead and bought mail order. that, IMHO, is wrong. anyway, you all can agree to disagree, right? :D in the end, i got what i wanted at a fair price (although i could have gambled and mail ordered it for less). the rebate brought the price into something we were willing to pay. else, we would have gone for a lower model (actually a Thermador, rebadged Bosch which was a steal*) * as it is turning out, that may have been a better choice since it is starting to look like our water is not as hard as i thought it was, thereby, relegating the water softener feature of our Bosch to an unused feature which we paid for. live and learn......See MoreRelying on Consumer Reports
Comments (26)Another CR fan here. They don't have a magical crystal ball, just engineering and user tests, so of course their "predictions" aren't absolute. But they are a way to stack the odds a bit more in the buyer's favor. Any model by any manufacturer can turn out to be a lemon. And, unless the underlying design is hopelessly flawed, any manufacturer can make an effective and reliable model. It's for the statistical in-betweens that CR helps, as well as the information their articles. And they list all the products they test, not just the ones they recommend, because they know that not everyone's needs will be met by their recommendations. For example, two weeks ago I realized that we needed to replace our dishwasher. I didn't have much time and it had been years since I had looked at what was on the market. Thanks to CR, it took all of five minutes to identify a couple of brands with models that come up high in their ratings that also had a lower frequency of repair (I don't have time to deal with repairs either) and to identify the latest features. Then it took only a few minutes at the store to pick a model. It was not a "Best Buy" because I was willing to pay more to get certain features but it was another model which ranked high. My new DW installed, running well, and I'm pleased. Is it possible somewhere there'is a better model for my purposes? Of course, but how much better would it be? Meanwhile, I saved a lot of time, and was able to get the new one before the old one stopped working. CR is supported by subscribers, so they test products of interest to the majority. Personally, I have no need for tests of commercial spaghetti sauces, for one, but since lots of people use them I don't fault CR for testing them. They usually test a few upscale products, if only to report on whether the higher price is justified objectively....See MoreKitchens - Consumers Reports August Issue Out
Comments (23)Mara - OK, you are obviously a big CR fan based on your posts here and on other threads. Fine I am not going to dissuade you but as you can see, lots of other folks besides me question CRr's usefullness. As to your question about results being outdated - yes, the JD Powers survey was done in Oct 2007. They do one every year. So if you are reading it in mid-2008 then it is 8 months old. Now I know you will say CR does an annual appliance review as well so whats up with my outdated comment. Did you ever look at the models CR tests and try to find them? Half are discontinued - making the specific reviews and recommendations outdated. Like I said - I know I am not going to convince you but between the two, I believe the JD Power consumer satisfaction rankings provide a far better barometer of brands to consider than CR's reviews which incorporate their own testing bias and focus on lowest costs as a prime factor in their decision making. I guess when looking for external reviews, I would rather rely on the personal experiences and feedback of large numbers of consumers than on one organization's tests...See MoreHow Reliable are Consumer Report Ratings
Comments (20)practigal... would you provide the information where CR "knocked the frdge on top bottom freezer, as not the preferred configuration" [sic] please? I bought a fridge-on-top model specifically on the recommendation of CR. It's been a very good model. Just to check my memory I just looked up their buying guide and here is all they say about these bottom-freezer models... "Sales of bottom-freezers are growing fastest as a group. Widths run from 30 to 36 inches for most. Claimed capacities can approach 30 cubic feet or so though usable space doesn't quite match that of comparable top-freezers. Pros: Bottom-freezers offer the convenience of an eye-level refrigerator. Some now have the in-door ice and water dispensers that debuted on side-by-side models.. Cons: You have to bend to reach the freezer--but you'll typically use the refrigerator much more often. Bottom-freezer fridges cost more than top-freezers overall." Did I miss where they 'knocked' the bottom freezer type? I don't think they are suspect at all. In fact, they are very direct and upfront. Consumer reports takes no advertising dollars. They collate and discuss options and features. It offers reasonable pros and cons. And, thankfully, it includes price as a metric and a concern. User reviews are subject to manipulation and are only relevant when you've already compared and narrowed your search. If you aren't aware that manufacturers pay people to write reviews, you are woefully uninformed. And, if you think you are well-equipped to discern the manipulation, then you have no idea of the power and scope of the psychology behind advertising. I defend CR because they are the last unbiased protection from companies who would take financial advantage of uninformed consumers....See More- 8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
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