Hybrid Hot Water Heater
Abby Ricket
6 years ago
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Comments (18)After ours was installed I stumbled across a company that makes an all in one unit called Eternal Hybrid (link below). You may want to contact them and see about getting the energy efficiency specs to go that route. I think Navien also makes an all in one system now too. I would think either company would be able to give you more accurate energy specs and better answer your question. The other thing to keep in mind is that without the loop (& pump), you are in effect wasting gallons of water waiting for the hot to kick in--think showers, sinks, etc. How much does the water wastage cost in terms of both water & sewer bills + the unnecessary waste of a resource? In addition to washing machines not pulling enough water through at a time to trigger the heater and then remain on long enough to actually get the water down the line to the machine, some dishwashers are having problems too. Here is a link that might be useful: Eternal Hybrid Hot Water Heater Site...See MoreReplacing electric hot water heater - should I go hybrid?
Comments (37)Saltidog, Dude, chill. I was respectfully saying you had a different opinion - not what your opinion was or that it had anything to do with the heating elements. You can disagree without being disagreeable. I do understand thermodynamics very well, thank you. There is no "trend" and no misrepresentation. Yes, the units have resistive elements as backup, for high demand situations, and when the ambient temperature gets low enough that enough heat can't be extracted using the heat pump (for geospring unit that's 45 degrees F) Saltidog, I don't know what you are getting your panties in a bunch about... yes, I understand your heater works well for you. I would expect that. It's installed in a basement that's at least 700 cubic feet of space. Because it's underground it will maintain a temperature of around 50 - 55 degrees or more if there are other heat sources in the basement. That's enough to allow the heat pump to work just fine. The water heater will work in almost all situations / applications where one would normally install a tank heater. It will even run on the heat pump in most situations. The question is when you have the water heater in a fully conditioned space (not basement) and that space is being heated. At that time, one is shifting the heating load of the water heater to the furnace - which may or may not be more cost effective. I think the water heaters are great - esp if they can work out the reliability problems (which I think are teething pains, not inherent problems). I stick by my assertion that there are three applications whereby they produce the most system efficiency / cost effectiveness....See MoreTraditional Water heater V Power vented V Electric
Comments (20)ionized_gw: I think that gas tankless has become more mainstream. In addition, the incentives have started to go away. Much of the initial complaints with gas tankless were around bad installation and/or bad retrofitting. I don't think they are sliding in popularity as much as they simply aren't the new kid on the block any longer. On new installs, gas tankless doesn't cost significantly more than a power vent heater and you see them installed on new upscale homes here because of the unlimited hot water. Rheem has addressed the "cold water sandwich" by delaying a "post purge" cycle when the heater is turning off and on frequently. This means that the heat exchanger doesn't rapidly cool off -- eliminating the "cold" part of the sandwich. I insulate my hot water lines also to reduce heat loss between uses. I know I'd never go back to a standard tank water heater. As for electrical requirements on the hybrids - it's the same as a standard electric water heater. The reason is because they sometimes have to fall back to electric resistance heat if the ambient temp is too low or quick recovery is needed. There was some reliability issues on the early hybrids that has since been worked out, I believe. As a side note: Hybrids are being linked up with PV -- meaning that while you would never use solar PV to power electric resistance water heater, it's a good match up for a hybrid water heater. Oil isn't much of "a thing" where I am, so I can't really comment on that. SaltiDawg: The op was seen screaming and running from the building...See MoreBest Electric Hot Water Heater For My Home
Comments (14)Thanks, this is all really helpful. Unfortunately AC isn't really a major concern with the home, as it's in the mountains and stays quite cool in the summer. Heating is obviously my bigger cost. The one question I have about cooling and the room being unconditioned is, doesn't there have to be some heat since this is where my plumbing begins? The basement is only around 3.5 feet underground and has windows so I imagine it will get cold in the winter. I am installing a mini split system in the whole home and was going to put one head in the basement, mainly to keep an ok temp throughout the winter. Is there any risk that the heat pump water heater could make the basement too cold for the plumbing? Or too difficult for the heater to keep the basement above 50? I just bought the home and it was a foreclosure and the pressure tank and some pipes are cracked from freezing. So I'm trying to come up with a setup here to A) keep utility costs down and B) prevent the plumbing from freezing again. All your insights are so helpful!...See MoreAbby Ricket
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