I just made a long post and then realized you would install both ovens. I would get it :)

I would probably have to figure out a way to have both the copper wall oven and the Bosch. I would really only do this if I got the copper version. It also comes in all stainless.

They are usually paired like this. This the the larger cooktop with the broiler which is really too big for my needs. The Bosch oven could be on a different wall.

Not in a small kitchen, I would not.

In a small kitchen I think I would make the choice between period authenticity And practicality, but I would not try to do both. You know your cooking habits, if you are a cook and you need the bigger oven I would just go with that. If you like me, are hard pressed to put anything more than a tin of muffins In the oven every few months, I would go with the period piece.

Hmmm, it is pretty cool looking. I'm just not sure if I'd want to give up storage if I had a small kitchen. If the kitchen was small I might incorporate it in the design but use it for storage instead of an oven.

It is cool looking, but do I understand that you're planning a modern oven plus this vintage model in the same space? I would not mix them -- go one direction or the other.

It might also make sense to use this a lot of the time because it is small rather than heating up the larger one.

If a small-sized oven is important to you -- and it does make sense -- I see two other options: Go with one of those two-ovens-in-one-range models, or buy a small counter top oven (little bigger than a toaster oven).

You know your cooking habits, if you are a cook and you need the bigger oven I would just go with that.

Yes, this is it: you know your cooking habits. I question why anyone needs two ovens anyway. I have a side-business baking wedding cakes, and I turn out five and six tier cakes ... from a single oven. Large cakes are a challenge to bake, but not because of oven size.

Not in a small kitchen, I would not.

This is exactly my reservation and I agree, he says to the woman who has a giant freestanding Lacanche with no set down space against a stone wall ():-I

Just teasing. Seriously though, this counterintuitive oven does open up a design possibility that changes the layout of the kitchen for the better. I will talk to you more in depth about that obscure statement later.

in the same space?

Yep, but they would be nowhere near each other. Relatively speaking, in a kitchen that will end up about 7'4" x 13'.

two-ovens-in-one-range

Regardless of the outcome of whether I give into this whim or not, the kitchen is going to have a cooktop and separate wall oven.

I question why anyone needs two ovens anyway.

Most people do not, I don't think. But on the occasions you do, it's a real pain not to have one. I grew up with two and it was needed when it was needed. But I kinda felt like they both didnt have to be so big.

Most of our cooking gets done in the oven. We rarely eat anything fried and could probably do fine with two burners, and don't need high fire power. My SO is a former pastry chef who sometimes does high production baking of cookies and such. A large oven is needed for big cookie sheets mostly.

If the kitchen was small I might incorporate it in the design but use it for storage instead of an oven.

It's interesting you say that because our second oven was usually used as storage for little used roasters and the cast iron. And I grew up with people who kept their cereal and bread inside the oven and took it out when they needed to use it. I also know someone who used their old GE wall hung refrigerator as cabinets after the fridge died.

I know this is a whim: I am just throwing the idea around. But on some level I am always at least a little willing to sacrifice something for an design statement.

I have been looking for the cooktop for you btw...

Now, from what I see, my thinking is this. The stove (complete) is more available than just the cooktop as far as I can tell. So if you're considering having an oven too, why not just opt for the complete stove with the Bosch wall oven rather than the two separate pieces you have shown above?

Could you do something like this instead of the Bosch (I'm sure less expensive are available somewhere, but this was the first one I saw...or are you mixing styles in there?). From what I see, you have exquisite taste, so please don't think I'm questioning the look.

http://www.restart.it/category/7/Forni_elettrici

I really do like old appliances. I kind of want a Western Holly range because of the washer-dryer look. Or the Kookcenter!

penny, an entire range is really too big for my kitchen, they are 39-42 and they are about 27 deep. Even if I don't get the companion wall oven I want a cooktop.

The cooktop I am looking at is a little over 24" x 25" deep. Thanks for keeping an eye out

I really like Western Holly with their round windows. I saved a picture of a kitchen with four Western Holly wall ovens (two doubles), each pair with a pull out vent hood.

Ahhh. Well explained, thanks. I know the smaller cooktop is number one, but is the wider cooktop an option?

We'll keep looking, you never know.

yes, I'd totally get it if that was what I wanted

especially if you're going to have an additional one

we use oven quite a lot if I think of that..and the only reason we didn't go with 24 inches(or so I think?) one was because the salesperson wasn't sure how long these will continue to be available in US since not popular. So we were afraid to get stuck with a smaller opening if that oven breaks-and find nothing compatible later

Then we never make big things too..so over turkey for years already we make duck..or cornishes..something but turkey)) I know that's not the tradition..but then it's a week of everything turkey..)) for lunch, for dinner..

(I did post a Chambers I saw on EBTH , having you in mind, in my find's thread..but that was unfortunately a full stove not a top..

but yes, we're on lookout))

I would be very, very hesitant to give up the 25", but I tend to pick function over form when pressed. And I say this as someone with a 60+ year old O'Keefe & Merritt gas range, with a tiny oven where, yes, I can either cook a turkey (and not a very big one, either) or cookies. Which is maddening, as much as I love it for its beauty and reliability.

This is the size I am actually looking for in the cooktop. Not as handsome as the one with the griddle. I would also like this better with the lever handles.

As a kid, Sesame Street’s “Three if these things belong together” was a favorite. It’s still a favorite game of mine. (Ever take a close look at your Target basket at checkout?)

But I digress.

This rule still applies, I think. If one thing is different, it’s pleasing to my eye. Like a fancy range, or a vintage range, or some fancy armoire/fridge. This works because the unique item stands out on its own.

But I think things get muddled when there is more than one. I could live with that if I loved “the thing” and couldn’t pass it up. I’m not getting the sense that is the case here.

[and what is the quirk with the IPhone update and the capital letter I️??]

I am going back and forth about there being two ovens of different types, but if I do this they would literally be at opposite ends of the kitchen. Which makes it sound bigger than it is.

I have also found these models:

This one is not so popular with fans:

And there is a tendency to "over restore": the copper was never mirror shiny like this as far as I can tell:

And I even found this:

It is so small, if you can still get a functional lay out I would go for it (and I doubt you’d consider it if a functional layout wasn’t possible with it.) Storage doesn’t concern me much in this case - it’s so small and it can store things 95 percent of the time.

fwiw I prefer the range in the last post, but really like both.

This came up in my FB feed today and I thought of this thread. The little oven is stylish. The rest?

I dunno. That floor tile is pretty dated, D_GW.

D_gw, wow. I’ve never seen anything like that before in my life!

I agree...That floor tile totally ruins it for me...

The floor tile would be the least of my worries. Ick. The Western Holly will be my next range. At my age, it will be in heaven, though.

"This came up in my FB feed today and I thought of this thread. The little oven is stylish. The rest?"

No. Ick. That is horrid.

I've never seen anything like this! Well, not unless you count the white leather seats in my grandaddy's Cadillac from back in the 1970s.