How far over do you want to shift the shower?

It looks like some Walk-In Closet space will have to be cut, to allow a shower door (but I can't see what's to the right of the shower, so I have no clue if a shower door can be relocated there).

Are you okay with losing the J&J bath/simplifying to a single-sink hall bath?

What is it that you are trying to achieve? Are you making the shower bigger? Or something else?

If you take any more space from the hall, you'll make it hard to access that bedroom, let alone move furniture in and out of it.

So, can you tell us more about why you want to move the shower, and show us more of what's to the right?

Sorry - I will repost a better image - I want to move the shower so I can lengthen the vanity. I'll post a bigger plan this afternoon

I'd be more concerned about the toilet against bedroom wall 3.

There's no way to move the shower to the left without impinging on what is already a minimal hallway to bedroom 3. With the bench, the shower looks to be about 6-1/2 feet long. The obvious answer is to make what is a large shower smaller. Losing the bench will allow you to lengthen the vanity. Or if a bench is necessary, make the shower itself more like 4x4 feet, not 4x5.

Is it important to get in and out of Bedroom 3?

My two cents:

1. Lose part of the master closet. Go smaller, but smarter with pro closet interiors

2. Then you will have more freedom with the master shower and still have room in the hallway around bedroom 3

3. Make smart use of pocket doors. If there is one thing that bugs me about J&J bathrooms or small rooms in general (a toilet room, a closet, a laundry room) is a bunch of doors. Doors take up a lot of space and are a nuisance. Good luck! Always exciting!

Siince you already have that bedroom closet bumped out, why don’t you bump out the jack and Jill bathroom equally? Then you can adjust the hallway that direction.

That could be an idea. The closet is actually "in" the chimney area...if we bump out the J&J, then we also deal with a lower headroom that is already at 8' at the tub area

Oh Em Gee. 30 jigs or jogs in that one little half section. A freaking bump out for a closet!!!A closet full of mildew. A bedroom that will be impossible to get furniture into. Mercy me.

How about hiring someone with some design talent instead of a drafter attempting to steal and badly modify a copywrighted design?

Houses are not Legos.

Okay....I can’t figure the measurements from my phone and am not at my computer. But what about swapping the toilet closet with the shower? Maybe loose 1 foot width of closet space, so 2 ft hanging space?

What Sophie said. You're trying to get 15 pounds in a 5 pound bag. Establish some priorities, make some major decisions and get on with it. Moving a shower to the left. Sheesh!

Do you have a professional helping you?

Thank you all again for your comments. Yes - we are working with a professional, and everything seems to be really working out well with the exception of this one J&J area

If you have 2 M to waste on building a boondoggle—it still could be better designed. This is astoundingly bad.

Whoever designed that plan really likes the word "optional" ...

I think your J &J vanity only needs one sink and to the side; that way one can brush teeth and the other person can use the vanity for make up etc. And if you start moving showers and plumbing it can get really expensive and often times there is only one place a plumbing line and drain and water lines can go especially if they are on the second floor and they have to drain down thru the first floor.

Yes - we are working with a professional,

Is it an architect?

I counted 31 jigs and jogs just from what I could see.

The jigs and jogs are because this is one of those 1-1/2 story plans with the second story buried in a giant roof.

Exactly right - al lot of the jigs and jogs are dormer windows

That just makes it worse. If you want a two story, build a two story. A giant bulbous roof with bug eyes projecting from it will be a lot more expensive and unattractive than a good two story plan.

Yes - we are working with a professional,

Is it an architect?

Expand bedrooms 2 and 3, and the jj to the left, to mesh up with that crazy closet bump out which I hope is not a dormer. Decrease that new extra space in those beds and bath to widen that corridor. Move the shower, no more than a foot, so as not to constrict that corridor as completely again.

And take pity on the inhabitant of bedroom 2 and give him/her a second window on the left.

Post the rest of the plan. All of it If this only half of the second story, the ground floor will be even more revealing. I think your drafter is in well over his head.

Well, as always, everyone is piling on without knowing all of the relevant facts (like: who lives here, what are their priorities, what is the site and location, what do the owners like in terms of style, what is the budget, who is the designer and what is their experience...just to mention a few). The question was about the shower and vanity in the master bath, that's all. The answer is simple, decide how much vanity your really need and then adjust the shower accordingly.

If I were the poster, I would run for the hills and never return to this forum.

I agree an actual plan of the whole house could be enlightning The upper floor is a mess you want to know about moving the shower that is least of the problems and you don’t even show the whole bathroom or do you not think you need a vanity. That huge seat in the shower is just plain useless and takes up space . J&J bathrooms are a nightmare with kids they never remember to lock the other door . Just a poorly designed space .

No offense taken on any of these posts! If we can take even a couple items that we didn't think of previously, then it has been worth engaging in discussion. As some have pointed out, some of the design nuances are because of the numerous dormers at the front of the french cottage style house. Some nuances are frankly just mistakes that will be rectified. I will repost plans once they are cleaned up.

Regardless of who lives here, or an unlimited budget for dreck, a Bad design is bad design. Money can purchase good design the same it can poor design. Someone needs to up their game, and not give in to a client’s ill conceived laundry list, or do something else.

Too much client concern with a “small” footprint as a cost driver and not complexity as THE cost driver, leads to complex smaller footprint designs that simply never get built. And a host of postings railing against design professionals as being out of touch with building costs.

The main reason that people seek out an architect is to utilize the educated experience of that individual. They lack the experience, and more importantly, the discernment to know that their ideas are dichotomous and fractured. And just plain bad design. A drafter just takes dictation and draws up that useless pringles can lookout tower. Whether it works style wise or not. Whether it will leak tor not. Check one off the list! An architect gets to the program behind the request. They design to the benefit, not the feature.

Design pushback is the most valuable service that a professional can offer. That’s why the critique process where the design is defended is the most important part of school. No one gets better by getting rainbow unicorns with kittens rubber stamped on sub-par efforts.

Thanks for that er612 - interesting thoughts

Sophie is leading in the "Best Sayings of 2017" by a bunch...

When you build a 1.5 story like this, you spend a lot of extra money to have a much worse house in every way that matters. The attic rooms were originally for SERVANTS because the space sucked so much--or for children if you were kinda broke and only for you if you were really broke. In the rafter era, they were dirt cheap spaces provided that the roof was simple (and it was). In the age of trusses and overly complicated rooflines, they are major money for a space that still sucks.

No more "this is your house and you can do what you want to!"

Ta-Dum!

Why in the world is Sophie so darn mean?

Why in the world is Sophie so darn mean?

Actually she's mellowed. Seriously though, if you're willing to listen you can learn a lot from Sophie.

Miss Sophie is invaluable.

She and I have opposite approaches, but diplomacy has its place and raw honesty has its place. Different people need different things, and you never know what the original posters/lurkers need. Better to throw everything at them and see what sticks. :-)

It's all done out of love, is my impression. Love of good design, love of education -- It comes out as tough, but aren't the best teachers the toughest ones? At least, mine were.

Sophie simply says the truth as she sees and has experienced it. No sugar coating, no tip-toeing around issues. Agree or disagree, if she sees fit to respond, you will learn something that's worth knowing.

I like Sophie. She makes me look nice. ;)

Just kidding. She's harsh, but this isn't a good plan.