Therese is also referenced as "Lovet". Multiple spellings of personal names occurred very frequently in rose names. If it LOOKS slimilar, you check it out. Often, that opens doors otherwise undiscovered. Unfortunately, the Floridian source for Therese has reported back that the plant he had received from Vintage was never very vigorous and was lost. What remains in the garden is the old, "red Tea", Souv. de Germaine de St. Pierre. The names were sufficiently similar for him to remember while traveling, but the tag on the plant corrected the memory. Thank you. Kim

Hi Rick and Judith, I don't frequent the forums as much as I used to: have too much going on outside with fruit trees, roses, perennials, etc. But I do check in from time to time. I am still happily growing roses in the Central Valley, including many of the older David Austin roses, including healthy specimens of 'Cymbeline' (from Rogue Valley Roses) and 'Allux Symphony' from Heirloom Roses. I was told by Heirloom Roses that I got the last specimen of this variety that were ever going to sell, which may have been the last one for sale in North America. Its truly a pity, as it is a very attractive rose that grows vigorously on its own roots in California. I have acquired a few more Austin roses, up to 112 now, but most are newer Austin roses. The specimen of Cressida sent to me from Hortico, turned out to the be real deal. Judith, I hope yours is also the true variety. I had 3 Cressida plants 2 houses ago, when I lived in the Santa Clara Valley, which grew into strong plants that were around 5.5 ft. high and 3 to 4 ft. across. I had them in the ground for at least 5 years, and they never threw long 'octopus arms' as some of the other Austin roses did. But the fragrance is distinctive, so I knew from the time the first bloom on the Hortico plant opened, that I had the real deal. When we moved back to CA, we found a home on an acre lot that had too little gardening space-the majority of the space was occupied by the footprint of the house, a private road with a huge cul-de-sac, sidewalks, and pool. Fortunately there was a vacant lot next door that we were able to purchase and new we accommodate more roses and other plants. I rooted 4 Cressidas last winter and need 2 more for a group planting, so we have 'stuck' a number of cuttings. I have encountered another individual on this very forum who is also has a passion for the older and rarer Austin roses, Susan Lyell. She is starting a company in Nashville, TN called 'Restoration Roses' (https://www.restorationroses.com/) . She came to CA in summer 2017 and was collecting rose cuttings from a number of sources, including the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden and was able to get cuttings of many rare roses including rare Austin roses and rare OGR's. We have corresponded and I sent her my list to see if there were any that I had that she would like for her collection. I have already sent her 6 cuttings each of 25 or so of these older English roses. I will be sending her cuttings of even more (including Cymbeline) this spring. She is establishing mother plants, so it might take her a year or two before she may have inventory to sell. Cressida and Allux Symphony were in the first group I sent. Hopefully, her new enterprise will be able to keep these older treasures from extinction. All the best, John

Campanula, I think I understand your perspective of the fragrance of roses in comparison to sidewalk stoppers like Honeysuckle and for me, Star Jasmine. I sit in a bullpen (well, not with Bull's so much - maybe a few ) for the better part of my weekdays. So my weekly enjoyment of my garden is in multiple vases (geek vases - like Olive and Honey glass jars) on my desk. Our bullpens are about 16'x16' with 4 people in each corner - no cubicles per se, to entice geeky non typically communicating people to talk to one another about designs, issues, etc. Then bullpens connected to more bullpens, loop. The barriers are low and clear, so we can all see one another. It is quite cool. My roses intoxicate our entire bullpen, and waft into others. Thankfully my guy geek companions don't mind them. Yesterday I had 3 vases. I bring in one a day during blooming season (most of the year here), and am finding more fragrant roses that will last long in a vase, so the vases start accumulating. I have found that although I have many gorgeous non-fragrant roses, that for inside, while all my other senses are fully engulfed in coding, that my nasal senses get to experience something else. The fragrant roses bring me so much joy during my work weeks. I'm loving the new ideas from this thread. I've looked up each one I don't have. So far the ones that have knocked me a little silly are Sheila's Perfume and Radox Bouquet (oh, that photo Kittymoonbeam - I'm drooling). Think I am going to add PJPII due to this thread and this forum, and as I'm looking all these sumptious pinks, forgot I need to add one I'm surprised I never bought, which is Memorial Day. I said I was going to stop around 80. Then the gophers came and I almost quit. Now 60% of my roses are caged, the rest slated for caging soon now that the weather has cooled down. And I see myself hitting the century mark in numbers by spring. Fighting the gopher fight really reinforced my passion. It has allowed me to SP roses when prior I was a steadfast non SP'er. Who wants to go through the work of digging up and caging a rose one doesn't like? The iterations of our lives and our gardens is really a marvel...

Re the aspect of purchasing locally or by internet; my husband and I are still on the fence around Blue Star, principally because of the lack of local availability. We last checked into this 2 years ago, so we need to update our information. (We went with a different stove that time, a much less expensive Bosch. I have to say that cooking on that Bosch was not a great experience.) We have 2 "local" dealers, each 2 hours away. Both are reluctant to service our area and too cheap to pay our local serviceman. Unless the last two years have changed their tune, we can't/won't purchase from them. So, there might not be a local option for many people, because it's not a well-marketed product. Diva