I'm liking my Princess Charlene de Monaco
My Princess Charlene de Monaco was purchased this past January or February at a local nursery. So far, she's doing well. We've have days of dry heat in the high 90's-100F. She does seem to want to throw out very tall canes. These are thick and strong however, not floppy. I've just cut the blooms for the house, and I think I will now bend and attach the long canes to the trellises. So far, she has not wilted nor fried in the heat. I give her enough water, but she hasn't required more than my other roses. I'm pleased so far, as she's only been with me for about 6 months.
The blooms start out more apricot
They open to a more pink color. They are big and ruffled.
This one below has aged on the bush. Eventually the sun bleaches it to an ivory pink, but not until its been there for a long time.
Bush shot before bending these two canes to the trellises. Lisa
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Comments (12)Great preliminary report, Vicky. I only have a few of these and two are new. First I want to say, I'm sorry that you lost your Dad. I know you are greatly comforted in knowing where he is now:) I don't really do red roses, but I have investigated Rouge Royale because my sons seem to like red roses, and those Romantica Roses by Meilland do so well for me. I'll add what I've observed so far in the roses that I have from your list. Earth Angel: Impulse buy at Lowe's. Potted, big healthy looking bush. Fell in love with the pictures someone posted over on the regular Rose forum. It is still in it's purple Kordes pot.(I know, bad rose lady!) The blooms did bleach out too much in full sun, but once I moved the pot to afternoon shade, I got the blooms I bought it for. They are absolutely perfect! The scent is amazing, too. I did get some funny colored leaves, that looked exactly like iron deficiency. I gave it a bit of ironite, and it cleared up. Others told me later that Earth Angel sometimes does this in response to a sudden overwatering, too. I'm not getting many blooms, but right now I've moved EA into even more shade, just because it's so hot. I'm more concerned with keeping my potted roses alive right now, than bloom production. Once it cools off and I settle this rose in, I believe I'm going to be crazy about it. I cut every bloom it gave me, and kept it by my bedside. Fabulous! Cream Veranda: I have two of them. They are in large baskets with a water reservoir, hanging at the front entrance to my home. I've had them about 2ish years, purchased as quart sized, own root, from Wayside Gardens end of season sale. They have stayed a nice size for the baskets, and are fairly healthy. They just get the usual spring powdery mildew, like many other roses do around here. They don't really seem to bloom in big flushes for me, rather 2-6 blooms on each most of the time. That's fine with me, always some color by the front entrance arches that way. Princess Charlene de Monaco: I only purchased this one in January or February this year, potted from a local nursery. I already love it! You are absolutely right about PCdM wanting to grow straight up and bloom up high on top of those long canes. I decided I'd had enough of that, and I wanted more blooms for cutting and arrangements. This IS a florists rose after all, and I want enough blooms to do something with. She's planted in a raised bed, in full hot sun. She had the usual spring bout of powdery mildew, but shook it off on her own. I tied her canes to trellises about 4 weeks ago. I now have something like 15-20 laterals, each with at least one bud. All that happened in just 4 weeks! There is a post with the details and photos on the regular Roses forum titled, "I'm liking my Princess Charlene de Monaco". This is a great rose for cutting. I would suggest training/tying the canes sideways to produce lots of laterals. Then cut the buds early in the morning when they show color. They will last a long time in the vase, and have beautiful color and fragrance. I'm considering purchasing a second one. I don't have two of many roses, actually only two. I have the two Cream Veranda's for the matching baskets, and I have two Violets Pride roses. They only reason I have two Violets Prides, is because the second one came as part of $13 surprise rainbow of roses collection. Me buying a second Princess Charlene de Monaco is saying a lot about how much I like this one. Try some in a vase! The Pilgrim: I can third the stinginess of The Pilgrim, here in So CA. Mine was also purchased bare root from Wayside Gardens. I think it was bought 5 or 6 years ago. Yes, it is in a difficult spot with blazing afternoon sun. I saw its first bloom last year, and I've gotten a handful of them this year. 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Comments (24)Pink Rose, and other helpful souls, This post prompted me to investigate Princess Charlene de Monaco. I discovered how beautiful she is, and looks surprisingly like Evelyn to me....maybe not as many petals. I have an idea. I am fed up with my Evelyn after five years of coping with her thin long, extremely weak canes and laterals. Her flowers were profuse, large, and fragrant, attributes many others did not experience besides fragrance. However, she never put on much size, bush wise. She never presented her flowers for me to see, always facing the ground and bending to about a foot above it, obscured by the bushes in front of her. She's at the back of my bed, and it looks like there is a hole in the bed with a puny bush in it. I am not growing roses for my turtles to enjoy! She's getting the shovel this spring, just as soon as the ground defrosts. Do you think PCdM would make a satisfactory replacement for Evelyn? If her flowers are held upright, and the bush maxes out at 4-5' for me here in W. PA, I would give her a try. I'm not trying to make PCdM into Evelyn, but a similar looking, fragrant bloom that is held upright is what I need. What do you think, yes? Moses...See MoreAnyone grow both Princess Charlene de Monaco and DA’s Boscobel?
Comments (34)Lol, ok I can see that being funny “haha”, as long as that Tacca(sp?) plant puts out more than one bloom per season. I’ve always wanted to grow the white version, but it’s just so dry here! They’re so exotic looking. I know they can be grown indoors, but I run the A/C like crazy all summer, so it’s dry indoors too. Im finally posting the pictures of my pruned Princess Charlene de Monaco. Diane had me second guessing myself for a bit, but no, this is how I’ve always treated HT’s. I noticed around town that all the HT’s were pruned down to 12-18”, as well, so it must be a So CA thing. If I wanted PCDM to cover an arbor, I wouldn’t do this, but I need all the space I can get. My sweet peas need a place to climb while the giant roses have been cut back. This is what’s left of her. I’d like to cut that central and left cane a little shorter, but either my pruners are getting dull, or I’m getting weaker. I hope it’s the former, but fear it’s the latter. If I can remember to ask one of my sons, I’ll have him trim it a little shorter. Those canes are SO thick! I couldn’t cut through them any lower, even with my good Felco’s. These were taken near dark, so they’re not the best. This is PCDM #2 next to #1. The first one was just like it a year ago. She grew fast! These 6 blooms/buds were my reason for leaving the few long canes unpruned. Was it worth it? It certainly was! Having 6 of these beauties in early February is definitely worth leaving the canes on for a few extra weeks. Look at those long stems. Some buds are a little bug damaged, and twisted at the neck, but I’m glad to have them. I really love this rose! Lisa...See More
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoCynthia mine sounds like it's acting more like yours. Turns creamy white almost immediately in my dry heat. To be fair, the heat has been so extreme lately that all of my lighter color roses seem to be fading to a shade of white almost immediately.
I wasn't so sure I liked this one at first because it was such a baby even in the mild heat here, but it has gotten much better after a few applications of silicon (I used Protekt brand). The fragrance is heavenly so it was definitely worth the extra care. :-)
Totoro I'm training mine like a climber so I can update you on how it goes. :-)
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6 years agoWhen I bought my Princess Charlene de Monaco, it looked like this:
But now it looks like this:
Which is rather a disappointment, since I like the pink better. Still, it is the most fragrant rose in my garden.
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6 years agoI think that's from the hot sun. Mine will fade if I leave them on the bush. Some blooms also look different than others. This morning mine looks just like yours, noseo.
I attached her longest canes to two trellises on either side of her on July 4th. At that time, I also cut all the blooms to bring inside. I've had a few,(4-5) blooms since then.
Now that the two long canes have been attached to the trellises for almost 4 weeks, the laterals are beginning to form buds.
Left side (below)
Right side (below)
The whole bush shot. Hopefully she will fill out in the center so she doesn't always look quite so split in half. It looks like a temporary problem. This Princess wants to grow!
So, for your info(and my own records, as I find it really handy to look back at my own posts, especially for blooming times and amount of blooms.) On July 4,2017 I cut all the blooms and tied the two longest canes to the trellises, using green plant clips. On July 19, I cut 3 blooms for indoors. On July 25, I cut 4 blooms for an arrangement(for the veterinary office). There have been a couple more blooms that I left on the bush. Today, July 31st, there are 3 blooms one the bush. The cane on the left has produced 8 laterals since July 4th, while the cane on the right has produced 7 laterals. Each lateral has a bud, the beginnings of a bud, or in one case 2 buds, at the top. One has an open bud. The laterals range approximately 7-18 inches long. I'm looking forward to seeing LOTS of blooms. I hope that most will bloom at the same time, for a big bouquet. I am liking PCdM so much, that I would like a second one. The cut flowers are just amazing, and I always wish I had more.
Sorry if this is TMI, it's too hot to do much outdoors. This is my way of indoor rose gardening, and hopefully someone will find it helpful. Lisa
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoLisa one of mine hasn't been blooming like yours at all... just one or 2 blooms on this one total so far....but now it has decided to bloom all at once! This one cane has put out a big spray of 15 buds. I hope I catch them to cut and bring indoors before the heat gets to them. I have 2 and have been growing mine as climbers too. They seem to be doing great trained that way. They were slow to get acclimated in my yard, bet seem to be coming around.
(Please excuse the green thing, it's a shade for my espaliered orange tree).
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6 years agoI decided to splay this spray out laterally since I'm growing it as a climber across a fence. Raspberry Cream Twirl is to the right and sneaking in down below. PCdM is on the left.
It has been so hot here, I have a feeling this may be the only bloom I get to capture a photo of...
Lots of buds in that spray, but it is very likely they will open, then fry while I'm gone during the day. We will all just have to imagine what it will look like.
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoThat's a beautiful bloom, Cori Ann! It's very pink. Mine has a bunch of small buds growing. A few days ago I cut a few and combined them with Abraham Darby and some other flowers in a vase. My son snatched them away for a special someone at work before I was satisfied with the arrangement. I did manage to take a few quick pics. Lisa
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This rose has quickly turned into a favorite here. It was a diva at first (in the winter and spring), needing extra care, extra water, extra fertilizer, and showing nothing but wilting/crispy foliage for all the extra work.... but now it's flourishing.
Still needs more water than others here, but it's worth it for the fragrance and the beauty.
You can still see the burnt leaves down below from spring earlier (I know, I haven't removed them yet and they're from the early spring, I'm busy). Back then, I was thinking of trading it to someone else with less heat since it was such a wimpy, diva baby . A little time (and some Protekt)... and now it's wonderful! I think this little diva ugly duckling has become a swan in my yard.
I'm growing it as a climber and in just a couple seasons it's about 6 feet, almost to the top of an 8 foot fence.
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoYour post inspired me to get one. Planted this spring, so it’s still a little over one foot but is already bloomin. Came here to thank you, Lisa. I love it.
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4 years agoI thought PCdM was supposed to be short when I got mine and planted it in front of a bed. It grew to about 6 ft by end of season that first year (but stayed very narrow), so I moved it last year (its second) to a different bed. Here are a couple of full bush shots from early May this year...that's a six foot fence behind it. I hard pruned it last year and this year to encourage it to get bushier and that has helped. It still gets taller than the fence by end of season, but is a bit fuller. These pictures don't do it justice...much prettier rose in person
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