Sorry about the formatting problem on the numbering above....I cannot seem to correct it and don't know if it is my computer or user error or what!

I think that is a lovely summary Vicky. I love your details and wish I made a summary for all of mine.

Thank you for this great analysis...it's very helpful. I planted a grafted Pilgrim from DA this year and its just now putting on buds. I am really looking forward to seeing it bloom!

We seem to have similar tastes in roses. My Cream Veranda is very healthy but every bloom has fried in the heat. I might move it to a spot with less reflective heat.

Vicky, you have it about right with The Pilgrim--beautiful blooms, but VERY STINGY BLOOMER. Mine is about 4 years old and still suffering from stinginess!

Olivia Rose Austin--yes, to all the wonderful things said above about her. I have just one complaint--from a distance, her pastel pink/white bloom get kind of a dingy appearance that isn't appealing. Up close, the delicate beauty of her very pastel shades is very appealing. My advice: plant where you will frequently see her up close!

Can't help you on the others--except Munstead Wood--agree with all the observations above. One of my very favorite roses.

Kate

Great preliminary report, Vicky. I only have a few of these and two are new. First I want to say, I'm sorry that you lost your Dad. I know you are greatly comforted in knowing where he is now:) I don't really do red roses, but I have investigated Rouge Royale because my sons seem to like red roses, and those Romantica Roses by Meilland do so well for me.

I'll add what I've observed so far in the roses that I have from your list.

Earth Angel: Impulse buy at Lowe's. Potted, big healthy looking bush. Fell in love with the pictures someone posted over on the regular Rose forum. It is still in it's purple Kordes pot.(I know, bad rose lady!) The blooms did bleach out too much in full sun, but once I moved the pot to afternoon shade, I got the blooms I bought it for. They are absolutely perfect! The scent is amazing, too. I did get some funny colored leaves, that looked exactly like iron deficiency. I gave it a bit of ironite, and it cleared up. Others told me later that Earth Angel sometimes does this in response to a sudden overwatering, too. I'm not getting many blooms, but right now I've moved EA into even more shade, just because it's so hot. I'm more concerned with keeping my potted roses alive right now, than bloom production. Once it cools off and I settle this rose in, I believe I'm going to be crazy about it. I cut every bloom it gave me, and kept it by my bedside. Fabulous!

Cream Veranda: I have two of them. They are in large baskets with a water reservoir, hanging at the front entrance to my home. I've had them about 2ish years, purchased as quart sized, own root, from Wayside Gardens end of season sale. They have stayed a nice size for the baskets, and are fairly healthy. They just get the usual spring powdery mildew, like many other roses do around here. They don't really seem to bloom in big flushes for me, rather 2-6 blooms on each most of the time. That's fine with me, always some color by the front entrance arches that way.

Princess Charlene de Monaco: I only purchased this one in January or February this year, potted from a local nursery. I already love it! You are absolutely right about PCdM wanting to grow straight up and bloom up high on top of those long canes. I decided I'd had enough of that, and I wanted more blooms for cutting and arrangements. This IS a florists rose after all, and I want enough blooms to do something with. She's planted in a raised bed, in full hot sun. She had the usual spring bout of powdery mildew, but shook it off on her own. I tied her canes to trellises about 4 weeks ago. I now have something like 15-20 laterals, each with at least one bud. All that happened in just 4 weeks! There is a post with the details and photos on the regular Roses forum titled, "I'm liking my Princess Charlene de Monaco". This is a great rose for cutting. I would suggest training/tying the canes sideways to produce lots of laterals. Then cut the buds early in the morning when they show color. They will last a long time in the vase, and have beautiful color and fragrance. I'm considering purchasing a second one. I don't have two of many roses, actually only two. I have the two Cream Veranda's for the matching baskets, and I have two Violets Pride roses. They only reason I have two Violets Prides, is because the second one came as part of $13 surprise rainbow of roses collection. Me buying a second Princess Charlene de Monaco is saying a lot about how much I like this one. Try some in a vase!

The Pilgrim: I can third the stinginess of The Pilgrim, here in So CA. Mine was also purchased bare root from Wayside Gardens. I think it was bought 5 or 6 years ago. Yes, it is in a difficult spot with blazing afternoon sun. I saw its first bloom last year, and I've gotten a handful of them this year. I'm hoping things will improve shortly, as the adjacent park removed a huge eucalyptus tree that was nearby, and I had Queen Palms and a Texas Privet hedge removed this past spring. I am finally seeing more growth in the past 6 months, than I've seen in the past 5 years, so I'm not giving up yet. Kate, how long are you willing to give your Pilgrim? I'm willing to give mine another year, due to the improved conditions, but that's it. If it doesn't wow me next spring or summer/fall, it's out of here. I don't shovel prune anything in haste, but 7 or 8 years is plenty time to show me what he can do. Vicky, count yourself lucky. At least you've seen some of the Pilgrims blooms already. I didn't see a single one until it was almost 5 years old. And then, it really was a single ONE:) I've seen great pictures of The Pilgrim loaded with blooms, so surely it must bloom well somewhere, for someone?

Well, those are the ones I have here in S CA. Please keep us updated on how they are doing, Vicky. And please do check out the Princess Charlene de Monaco thread. I think you could get more roses out of her, and they are best appreciated up close in a vase:) Lisa

Thanks for all your kind words! I forgot to include Desdemona, which was purchased this spring from Meinkes. I placed that in a partial shade area, where it has given me many blooms, and is now resting. It has formed a nice bushy shape with no octupus arms. The foliage is pretty green and healthy, touches of blackspot and yellowing on some of the lower leaves. I also forgot to include Poseidon, purchased from White Flower Farm this spring, which has yet to bloom. It has not grown very much but is just sitting there....maybe it likes more sun than the partial shade setting I have given it....but then again, it was planted later than the others (I think it was early May rather than April.)

Nice overview, thank you.

I love my new Olivia as well. What a sweet pink and the foliage is beautiful.

My Cream Veranda is finally getting g larger blooms and they are getting g their peachy color. The blooms have been small and white so far

But there is hoperfect lol

Vicy - how did these perform after another year in 2018?

I love the name Fathers Love better than Rouge Royal. A Fathers Love is so much more meaningful

Ho did your Veranda Cream do this year ? Mine hardly had a bloom

Planted my Cream Veranda in a raised deck bed - it gets good light but not full hot all day sun. It wants to grow tall - is very healthy, good strong canes, keeps its leaves, very little blackspot, blooms in clusters and blooms alot. Spring 2019 will be its 2nd year and I am expecting it to do very well.

Judith