Advice for building a warm toned rose bed
gretahoney
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Ken Wilkinson
6 years agoHalloBlondie (zone5a) Ontario, Canada
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Need Advice on Rose Bed Soil
Comments (6)I will try the cabbage test, sounds interesting! Also might go ahead and do the soil test. The reason I have not done that previously is I have several beds - if you take just one soil sample from one place in one bed - that doesnt tell you anything about the rest of the beds. But it would be interesting to know about one spot anyway. I think what happened to this bed is that I started off well - things were growing and looked fabulous - but I dropped the ball for a couple of years [had a couple of knee surgeries] and the compost etc. I had the bed built up with worked itself into the soil - making it quite a bit lower. Most of the roses died last summer, daylilies, mini crepe myrtles, clematis are still alive. The bed is off to the side of my house - the hot west sun blasts down that side and the bed gets no shade at all during the day - with 105 degrees daily for nearly 3 months, and not enough mulch, that might have been enough to kill them. I dont think there is much wrong with the PH because previously, everything thrived in that bed, but I will do the tests just to make sure. It is 2 beds separated by an arbor with a gravel walkway and birdbath, and was simply gorgous a couple of years ago and I want to restore it to its former beauty. In case we have another horrendous summer - I want the bed and the roses I plan to replant in it to have plenty of mulch/protection from the heat/drought. I was thinking of making thin consecutive layers of the horse compost, mulched leaves, the mushroom/bark fines/sand mixture and starting over again, finishing with a fine bark mulch - is there anything you all would do differently? Since the bed is mostly cleared from everything except 2 large grasses and 2 mini crepe myrtles [am potting up the daylilies until I finish the bed] I have the opportunity to start over and do it properly. Thanks!...See MoreAdvice & tips for preparing a rose bed in SE FL
Comments (3)Wow, sumognat! You have your own horse manure factory!!! When I dig my beds, I take out the depth of a shovel and replace it with everything you mentioned. Perhaps if I were younger and stronger, I'd go 2 feet deep, but I feel like a wacko as it is. Though the soil does become black in several months from all the added organics, my big question has always been "what happens when the roots extend beyond the amended area into the native sand?" So I guess I'm saying to go for the 2 feet if your back and pocketbook can hold up. I'm sure you can get good topsoil & compost in bulk. It's cheaper that way. I get my horse manure compost for free from a horse farm down the road. This year she said she "sanded" her stalls more which made the compost very heavy. I know she thought it was a good thing (and I don't know for sure that it wasn't), but I gasped at the word 'sand'. After all, I worked hard to get rid of the sand, and now I'm adding more! I don't know anything about horses or their bedding needs, but I do know the straw will pull nitrogen from the soil so you need to add extra nitrogen. I use a lot of Milorganite. The worms love it. I use Rose-Tone or Holly-Tone because that's what Lowe's carries, but I occasionally get a big bag of Purely Organic from a man in the local rose society. I use cottonseed meal, blood meal on occasion and lots of alfalfa in preparing the bed. Last year I used up a 50 lb bag of greensand in the beds I dug. It adds potassium (N-P-K: 0-1-6). Florida sand is typically very deficient in K. I found a company called Fertrell who had a local rep who sold their organic products out of his home so that's where I got it. I use Mycorrhizae - microorganisms that you add at planting that greatly enhance root growth. I sprinkle them directly on the roots before I put the plant in the hole. I also use "Vitamin B-1 Plant Starter" by Lilly Miller (from Lowe's.) This is very unscientific, but I forgot to use it once and several of my potted up roses withered and died. :(( At least it's cheap. I have limey sand so I use soil sulphur. I mostly grow own-root Old Garden Roses. I have a few on Fortuniana but 20 times as many on their own roots - Chinas, Teas and Noisettes. Hope this helps. Sherry...See MoreHow much sun for roses in a very warm climate?
Comments (16)meslgh......... You have gotten advice from people local to you, so my two cents is of less value than what they have told you, but it may add a dimension you can use in your decision making. I live in a latitude further north than you and I live at a higher elevation, so even though we both live in zone 8a, the light is different up here than where you live. That's why the local advice is much better. Also, since I live in the mountains, my night temps cool off by 40 to 50 degrees and that gives the plants a chance to rehydrate themselves during the night ... pull moisture up from the root zone to the top growth. I don't know if that is true where you live. What I have learned about growing roses in an area of high heat (Heat zone 8), is that roses with thicker petal substance can handle more light and heat. Since I don't have any disease pressure once the day temps hit 85 degrees and stay there or higher, I prune for foliage. That means I don't take out anything that might produce foliage. The rose will abandon what it cannot use. I have found that the roses need as much foliage as possible to stimulate the plant to pull moisture up from the root zone. Once my roses have been in the ground for 3 to 4 years, they are much better at handling the light and the heat. I have some roses that only look wonderful in spring and fall and pretty lousy during the summer months. That's fine with me because I love the roses and I have enough other roses that do well in the summer months. My goal is not to strive for perfect blooms, but for a healthy plant. A healthy plant provides enough blooms to keep me happy. I hope this helps. Smiles, Lyn...See MoreNew build-kitchen> Island granite ct warm woodtone & cool tone mix?
Comments (65)Yes, on a Sunday- The drywallers showed up this am to start putting up the sheet-rock.. FLo- waiting on a rendering/drawing for the 2 masterbath towers from the kd. Went to the local little island hardware store that carrys BM paint, brought back a bunch of paint chips to look at in the house for a start.. Because the house is very open, looking for something that I can use in/for kitchen, foyer, Dr & living areas. Jan- we are building on a small island, off of another island, no designers here on this island...I agree with you on the floor issue, I just need to convince dh- about the flow and using wood throughout....See MoreKristine LeGault 8a pnw
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