Ok, so here's my first mismarked baggie bareroot this yr..

6 years ago

Sorry I don't like to refer to them as "body bags." LOL Altho I did end up with one that didn't survive... ANASTASIA from the Grocery Outlet. Bummer...

But here is one I purchased at WalMart around Feb that was supposed to be PATCHWORK, which is supposed to be a yellow/apricot with a red blush. Been trying to get that one for a few yrs. It's almost always mismarked. (Maybe it's not a real rose...) I'm actually kinda glad it is what it is tho... cuz my original plant is almost dead and I was thinking of replacing it....

HARRY WHEATCROFT aka CARIBIA....

It'll be interesting to see how many of the other ones end up being wrong too... I bought 8-10 cheapie bareroots this yr...It's always fun to see what they end up being!

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Zuzu (Sebastopol, CA, 9a)

6 years ago

This is my Diamond Jubilee.

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Zuzu (Sebastopol, CA, 9a)
6 years ago
The first bloom on my Patchwork also looked like Caribia, but it was deceptive.

Subsequent blooms looked like this, meeting your description of ".yellow/apricot with a red blush."
romogen
6 years ago
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This year is especially bad about mislabeled bareroots. Star roses has admitted that one of its new contract growers this year has been shipping mislabeled roses, don't know which varieties yet, but definitely NEW ZEALAND and BARONNE DE ROTHSCHILD are questionably labeled. I got about a dozen BRIGADOON bodybags from Certified Roses this year, so far six have flowered correctly, and two are yellows similar to PEACE. I have a CLIMBING PEACE that's probably GOLD BADGE. BLUE MOON just bloomed, but I can't be 100% sure it's not ANGEL FACE.

From Coiner's there are a bunch of mislabeled rosed. Five new JC's ROSE are actually HEIRLOOM. FLORADORA is blooming as a yellow miniature. The two DIAMOND JUBILEE tree roses from Costco (Coiners) are about to open, but are looking suspiciously yellow instead of pink. I have to make sure they are correct before I plant them in two huge terracotta urns by my door.

I got two CRESSIDA from Hortico that I'm watching like a hawk. The bareroot canes just sprouted so no flowers yet.

Last year I ordered two CHAUCER from Angel Gardens. I don't think either one of them is correct. This one is blooming now for the first time, but looks like Crocus Rose
The plant on the left gave me these flowers last year which do not look like CHAUCER. I contacted Angel Gardens back then, and they told me to wait another year to see if the blooms don't improve. I agreed; however, the one above is definitely wrong.
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Zuzu (Sebastopol, CA, 9a)
6 years ago
Diamond Jubilee is always yellow. You must be thinking of a different rose. There's a Better Homes & Gardens Diamond Jubilee that's reddish-pink and white.

I also bought a Cressida from Hortico this year. It has produced one bloom, which wasn't extra-fabulous (it bloomed in the middle of the heavy rains), but it was the right color, so I'm hoping for the best. I had ordered it twice from Hortico in years past, but they sent me a white rugosa and an Autumn Damask instead. This time they promised me they had the "real" Cressida.
romogen
6 years ago
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This was Diamond Jubilee last week at SJHRG, unless their plant is mislabeled? I wouldn't know, because I've never grown it. What do you think?
roseseek
6 years ago
Not if you are referring to the 1947 Diamond Jubilee. Your rose is pink, DJ is light yellow to golden apricot (here). Look at the photos on HMF.
roseseek
6 years ago
Yes ma'am, it looks like the one growing out back.
romogen
6 years ago
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Zuzu, are you going to be at Gregg's house this Saturday, or El Cerrito on Sunday? It's always a pleasure matching names to faces and talking shop.
Zuzu (Sebastopol, CA, 9a)
6 years ago
No, I won't, but I agree that it's always a pleasure to meet online gardening friends.
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
Zuzu.... I still think my plant is HARRY WHEATCROFT. The stripes on yours are less defined than those on mine. Guess I will have to wait and see what the next blooms will look like tho to be sure.

Benaminh... I was looking at the one bud coming on my BRIGADOON yesterday, and thinking it looks awfully PEACE-y. LOL Starting out pale yellow with a slight edge of pink. Crap, I already have an extra PEACE that was supposed to be CHICAGO PEACE. And it's not exactly looking the same as my original PEACE. Hmmm... maybe it's not. And whatever SJHRG has labeled as DIAMOND JUBILEE certainly is not!! And it's not even the BH&G DIAMOND JUBILEE either. I have that one and it's white with a deep pink edge. Somebody needs to ID that pink for them or at least mark it as unknown or "not" DJ! And crap... you say your JC'S ROSE are ending up being HEIRLOOM?? Hmmmm.... Mine just popped out a not-very-pretty dull orchidy-pink colored bloom with not so many petals. Doesn't quite look like HEIRLOOM tho. Guess we'll have to see what those subsequent blooms produce too.

This is fun and interesting isn't it? But a little disappointing as well, for some of us. Especially the mismarked ones that were not the bagged bareroots. 'Course I kinda half expect it from the Horticos. None of those are blooming yet....

And guys keep in mind that sometimes the first bloom on a plant may not look exactly like it's "supposed" to look, like Zuzu's PATCHWORK. I've found that happens quite often. I had gotten a rose from Cliff when he officially opened up his EuroDesert Roses, quite a few yrs ago. It was a Hungarian-bred HT called BUDATETENY. It is listed as an orange blend, but his picture showed a warm pink. The rose I first got from him was a robust band that bloomed very quickly. It was a pale yellow. I informed him of this, just wanting to know if he could ID the rose. He sent me a replacement before I could even tell him he didn't need to. That plant bloomed a nice warm pink. The other plant took awhile to rebloom, and in fact I got them mixed up (they were both in 1gal pots). Eventually they both bloomed at the same time and were pretty much identical looking blooms. Also, I have an OP seedling that came from BROADWAY, which is an apricot-yellow with a pink blush. The seedling bloomed similar to it's mama the first couple of bloomings. Then it became a pink and yellow stripey! I have several stripeys in the bed next to the bed BROADWAY is in, so one of those obviously fathered my lovely new rose.

Anyway... it will be fun to see everybody's mismarked blooms in the coming weeks and months!! So keep 'em coming!!
Zuzu (Sebastopol, CA, 9a)
6 years ago
Exciting news about your new stripey, Beth.

The first bloom on a Rainbow Sorbet I bought years ago was solid white. I was sorely disappointed until the bush produced more blooms that were the right colors.
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
OMG RAINBOW SORBET is fast becoming one of my favorites! Alwys in bloom ... with gorgeous blooms!
Zuzu (Sebastopol, CA, 9a)
6 years ago
Isn't it fabulous! It's one of the most reliable roses in my garden, and the foliage always looks good too. In general, I've found that Ping Lim's roses are highly resistant to the black spot every other rose gets in spring in my garden.
Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy
6 years ago
Getting off topic...but about another swirly rose... Beth has your Peach Swirl made any buds or blooms yet? I want to hear from another gardener how they like it (LOVE it) and if they think the fragrance is like baby powder and roses. :-)
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
Hey Cori Ann! I just posted over on your PEACH SWIRL thread. Love your pics! Mine just got a couple of buds. Can't wait to see them open up.

Here's a pic of my PATCHWORK/HARRY WHEATCROFT's progression from today. Love it!! I think at this point it's pretty safe to say it's not PATCHWORK! LOL
romogen
6 years ago
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Beth, this is what JC's Rose is supposed to look like:
rosecanadian
6 years ago
Oh Beth!!! That`s gorgeous!!! I love it!!! It`s exquisite!!!

Romogen - I especially love the last two pictures!!

Carol
romogen
6 years ago
Beth, here's my Caribia from Home Depot

Coiner's website is offline, either they didn't pay their web hosting bill or the company's in trouble.
romogen
6 years ago
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My Coiner's standards from Costco are probably mislabeled :-(

"Diamond Jubilee"
"Lady X" ...not. It's PARADISE, but pretty cool & still worth keeping as a tree rose.
rosecanadian
6 years ago
I agree - Paradise is worth keeping as a tree rose - it will look awesome!!! The orange rose is really pretty too. But, I just hate not knowing the name of a rose.

Romogen - Your Caribia has so many flowers - and I love the stripiness of them!! :)

Carol
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
6 years ago
I picked up an Ingrid Bergman personally from Rogue Valley Roses.

It took about 2 weeks to realize that I had an impostor. I should have known immediately because it obviously isn't even a hybrid tea.

I went to a local nursery and bought a huge Ingrid Bergman.

But I have to say, I am pretty excited to see what I did end up with.
now that is Ingrid
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
Here's a pic of my first bloom on JC'S ROSE. I hope it was an abnormal bloom and that it will end up like yours ROMOGEN....
At first I didn't think it looked like HEIRLOOM, but it does... kinda. I'll just hafta wait til the next bloom to see what it does.

That CARIBIA/HARRY WHEATCROFT of yours is gorgeous! My old one is barely alive, so I was glad to get that mismarked one! This is what's been crowding the old one... weeds, weeds, and this friggin' POKEweed:
I chopped this sucker down a few months ago, and it shot up this monster. Looks small here, but in reality, it's over 5ft tall and the stem is about 1½" in diameter! My poor yard is a big mess.

Your DIAMOND JUBILEE is lovely, and it could actually be correct. You'll have to show us the blooms as they progress. My plant is a stinkin' little tiny own root that I got from Vintage many yrs ago. It has never amounted to much of anything. I shouldn't have put it in the ground until it got a decent size. I think the soil in that bed is pretty crappy... altho... I have BERYLBACH right next to it, and that thing is a big monster, happy as a clam!!

Here's a pic of my cheapie bareroot REDGOLD. It's not a great pic, as the blooms are kinda distorted for some reason, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be the correct rose.

Others that sill haven't bloomed are TIFFANY, LOVE, HONOR, HANDEL, GRANADA.... and ARIZONA has died back to the bud union, altho it appears there might be a new cane trying to pop out. Not sure yet. I lost the ANASTASIA that I got at the Grocery Outlet. She just totally turned black. Never broke dormancy.

Oh looks like my PINATA is correct:

Hey Kristine, what makes you think that's not INGRID BERGMAN? Has it bloomed yet? I don't see obvious signs that it's not a HT! Own root plants don't look like grafted ones, especially in the first season. I bet it will be the right rose.
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
6 years ago
will if it is another Ingrid Bergman I will be delighted it's one of my favorite roses. But the leaves are a very different color very light green and a very different shape so we'll see because I don't know. Only time will tell on that one so it would be exciting to get another Ingrid Bergman
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
Yeah, sometimes we just have to sit back and wait. Hopefully it will be the right rose for you!
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
6 years ago
except that now I was kind of anticipating what my surprise Rose would be LOL
romogen
6 years ago
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Here are more pics of several different flowers of Diamond Jubilee. Is it DJ or could it be Peace?

"Diamond Jubilee"
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
Mmmm... it's a beauty whatever it is. I doubt if it's PEACE. Too deep color. And I don't see the characteristic puckered leaves of the PEACE line. Kinda reminds me of GOLD MEDAL. My DIAMOND JUBILEE has never bloomed much in the decade or more I've had it. Just sits and does nothing. So I can't compare it for you. But, based on photos I've seen, I'd say it's not DJ.
romogen
6 years ago
Thanks Beth, you might be on to something, especially about the leaves. Speaking of GOLD MEDAL, I took these pics several weeks ago at a local nursery:
bethnorcal9
Original Author
6 years ago
Prob'ly is GM.

Well, here's my first bloom on a bagged bareroot TIFFANY. I think it's safe to say it's right. Smells delish too!

And my first blooms on the Hortico goodie SUNBURST look to be true! Yay!!