Ok how about the other tree?

Ok seems like the other tree is either an elm, beech, or hornbeam.. I cannot tell which

The second looks like one of the elms, though you are holding it in a way that covers up one of the indicators of elm, the asymmetrical base of the leaf, right where your thumb is. ;>)

It isn't a beech or a hornbeam.

Hilarious.....it's almost like Heruga is trying to trick us!

The second one should be an elm. It is similar to an American Elm leaf, but I would have to go back and research Elm leaf size and what grows wild in New Jersey area to be sure. I think there is another Elm with leaf of this size.

Yes, could be red elm-Ulmus rubra, rock elm-U. thomasii, or the afore-mentioned U. americana, but there's not enough tree being shown to tell. Also not especially helpful is holding the leaf of one species in amongst the twigs and foliage of the other!

Norway male is highly invasive, being only one tier under those species that produce fruit which gets carried for miles by birds and other wide-ranging carriers. It can really out-muscle a lot of species once it gets going in moist, shady areas. Sun or shade, of course.

That's my ranking, anyway, and depending on where you are, NM might be the worst issue going on.

There's an episode of Law and Order Criminal Intent where a possible crime scene is out in the woods and all you can see throughout the site is Norway maples. A ravine park in Seattle was on its way to a similar fate until volunteers started pulling the huge number of seedlings that were coming up, continuing to develop (unlike the native big-leaf maple seedlings which, although forming carpets every spring mostly disappear during summer).

My first thought for the second one is Zelkova serrata, but an incomplete view of one leaf really isn't enough to be sure.

The second one looks like an american hornbeam, which are beautiful trees. My grandparents have a large one growing beside their creek, I commonly get volunteers. The bark is my favorite feature.

Yeah the leaf shape may not be right for Zelkova, I didn't check. I think I also thought of hornbeam, too, although the American one tends to turn red.

At least where there is enough light.

Logan, I agree American Hornbeam can be a beautiful tree. It also has great range, which I hadn't given much thought to. The fluting bark is special.

My grandparent's always turns yellow. Could it be the european? To my knowledge nobody gardened there except my great grandmother, and I never heard tell of her planting any trees besides the 2 c. florida.

The native should have a lower, arching crown and a tendency to turn red. European hornbeam forms a tall, pointed top (except when a dwarf or otherwise aberrant selection, such as 'Pendulum') and usually turns yellow.

This tree is probably about 45ft tall, with an open spreading crown. I will be there tomorrow, so I will try to get pictures. I have never really thought of this tree as being something uncommon.