Sunburned 'Cl. Maman Cochet'?
Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
7 years ago
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7 years agoSheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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Comments (4)Denise, I love your unique way of presenting your roses. Maman Cochet is very sumptuous and beautiful. I also have Duchesse de Brabant and Cl. Lady Hillingdon (the latter a brand new band). Unfortunately my Blumenschmidt didn't do well and is no longer with me. I hope you have great luck with yours. I've heard so many raves about Anna Olivier that she may have to go on my list. What am I saying? I have no more room! Ingrid...See MoreHow can I fill this space under Maman Cochet, Cl?
Comments (23)Sherry, The clematis is about 4' from the base of the rose. The space between the shed and trellis is only about 2' to 2.5. The clematis is about halfway between the shed and trellis. Although, the plot is part of a larger bed, the area I'm referring to is about 10'x2' smaller than what looks like in your photo. I wouldn't worry about the shade. I'm far from an expert on clematis, i've killed a few PS is my only true success, but convential wisdom is the roots like to be in shade; the vine likes the sun, but eventually the vine will find sun. One of my vines gets very little sun at it's base. Polish Spirit is a heavy bloomer but is not for a normal shrub because it get's very large. I made that mistake and the reason I have 2 is that it split when I moved it. I wouldn't plant PS any closer than 3' from the base of the rose. I'd be inclined to try one at one end of your arbor like near where the liriope is now. PS is dark purple, it may look nice with the pink. If it doesn't work you can always remove like it did. Moving it for me was a little difficult because it was only about 1' foot from the original rose, but the vine itself reestablished without much ado. I think the risk is rather small. Other rose plantings I've successfully tried: I have two ferns (a japanese painted and an autumn fern) a couple feet near another large rose (Traviata) in filtered sun. Both seem to be happy, happier than alot of others under more conventional conditions. In another bed I have hardy plumbago growing around 2 azaleas, The Dark Lady, and Queen Elizabeth. The shrubs are all healthy and seem unaffected by the plumbago. Plumbago has a pretty loose root structure and I don't think either of the ferns I mentioned are particularly aggressive....See MoreClothilde Soupert cl or Souvenir de la Malmaison cl?
Comments (11)I don't recommend CLIMBING CLOTILDE SOUPERT for Southern California. This cultivar is prone to powdery mildew in dry climates. Clotilde is a very climate specific rose, needing both humidity and heat to ward off the mildew and to fully open the tightly quartered flowers. She performs best in the Old South where the summers are sultry. A good option for you is CLIMBING LA FRANCE. The nodding pink flowers are larger and gracefully nod downwards, always a plus for a climber. The blooms are also intensely fragrant. The only disease problems this rose has is black spot, something that really isn't much of a concern in your dry Mediterranean-like climate. I think you would also be pleased with Climbing Maman Cochet or Madame Berard (tea-noisette, 1870). I've read that both A SHROPSHIRE LAD and CLIMBING SOUVENIR DE LA MALMAISON are poor repeaters. Flo, I'm glad your Climbing Clotilde is doing so well. When this rose is "on" she is truly breathtaking. Best wishes, Patrick Image of Madame Berard by cweathersby-NE-TX-7b/8a. Image of La France by Labrea-7NYC....See MoreOpinions, please, Chromatella or White Maman Cochet? Pic heavy
Comments (11)Sorry, I hit "Submit" too soon. Here's a couple more photos from this spring. Jackie, I think most of that yellow cast was not in the original. I remember the flower that was in the last photo of my original post was startlingly white. And in my garden Maman Cochet (climber and bush) is very double. I have a White MC bush from RU in a pot, and I was just comparing the leaves - very similar, but I don't know what a real Chromatella looks like. White MC had a few flowers a few weeks ago, but I guess I didn't take pics of it. The photos on HMF of White Maman Cochet look very close to this rose. Of course, I'll wait to see what else this plant produces, but I just don't think Chromatella is supposed to have this much pink on it. Sherry...See MoreMelissa Northern Italy zone 8
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