My ovata is in full winter sun (up here in the north) and does well, in summer it gets to go outside in morning sun. my afra gets "shaded" winter sun (under sun reflective coated glass) and then out with the ovata in summer. Both do well, so maybe like cactusmcharris says, it doesn't make a difference.

Here again, what you have demonstrated confirms what I have been talking about and you have proven the so-called expert (saying that you need 10 t0 12 hours of sun) WRONG No one ever said that. And except for you, everyone else understood what was actually said. Shelia - as michael explained very well there is a variance in internode length from variety to variety and type to type. There are "averages" determined by studies done on many of the common varieties but the usual way of evaluating it is to measure the difference between the internodes on the plant itself as it grows. With an indeterminate variety when it is provided with ideal growing conditions and ample light they will each remain approx. the same length, have the same spacing, as the plant grows. With insufficient light each internode markedly lengthen as the stem grows. Now I think we have inundated the poor OP, who asked a simple question, with enough emails since this thread was ripped way off topic. I'm done. Dave

I have a stack of mini roses as a border. I find that as soon as I put them new in from the nursery they go into transplant shock a little and crisp up no matter if you do water and feed them. I think its just a matter of the roots adjusting a little. They've usually been in a state of major flowering when you get them from the nursery.They fine up eventually for me, with a little care (I've killed a couple, now I do the seasol and major watering thingy). It's probably what you get for planting in Bris summer heat. They seem to struggle with the dryness in well fertilised soil a little as well and they get chomped a bit. I don't recommend rose spray at that stage. Now I just go for the biggest miniature I can find as they hold up a little better under pressure. It might just be my lack of skill, but to get them back to the condition they were in and flowering takes a few weeks. Sunburn sounds right. I also debud them because I think it gives them a better chance. I don't lose them now LOL. Happily the icebergs are thriving and my knee high plants have around 30 roses weighing them down. They looked like a dried floral arrangement up to a month after i planted them (in potting mix topsoil.....yes I figured out that was not a good idea). The flower carpet roses seem to be duds but maybe they need more time. And I haven't killed my latest rose aquirements = yes there's a Kordes and a David Austin there. They're not doing brilliantly - but they are alive *S*. They're not crisping up in the March rain. Yeah! I gather that natural fertilisers may give new plants a better start.....

@whisst69 I repotted like 4 months ago, everything looked fine. I was thinking about re-potting or checking the roots but I have that damn seed pod on there that I'm protecting like a hawk. I'm afraid It wont mature if I remove it from its pot now. All i can say is that the soil is completely inorganic. I've never had root rot on any of my DR's ever. I'm not saying it is or isn't but I would be surprised if it was. @geoforce I live 200 feet from the ocean and I'd say that's a viable reason why it could be happening but none of my other adeniums show the same damaging characteristics of salt spray. It could definitely be a possibility. One of my friends has a very large desert rose and lives on the ocean as well (everyone lives on the ocean here, lol) and hers looks amazing. Green as heck, healthy. Hers is under her staircase, believe it or not and doesn't seem to get as much sun as mine. I did notice that all of these problems started after it's big bloom... Here's a picture of my friend's. She completely neglects it too. Its basically living in a bunch of beach pebbles only a few inches deep. What the heck! Ill steal it one day. I love the nebari on it. Here's a few pictures of mine before the problems: