Although I've posted this before, this recipe is always on our family's thanksgiving table.

TOMATO PUDDING

2 (1 lb.) cans stewed tomatoes
1 medium onion, halved and slivered
1 Tbsp. dark brown sugar
2 Tbsp. butter or margarine, divided
2 Tbsp. water
1 cup Pepperidge Farm herb-seasoned stuffing mix

In saucepan, cook tomatoes, onion, sugar, and 1 Tbsp. butter over medium-high heat until liquid is reduced by half 10 to 15 minutes. Pour into shallow 1 1/2 quart casserole dish. Melt other tablespoon of butter with water; stir in stuffing mix. Spread topping over tomatoes and bake at 350 degrees for 30 to 40 minutes or until tomatoes are heated and topping is golden. Note: Dry bread cubes can be substituted for the stuffing mix. The tomato-onion mixture can be prepared ahead of time. Just don't add the topping until ready to bake.

I made this one up one year when a member of our family was having a cholesterol problem. Waldorf salad was traditional with out family but the mayo was a no-no for this person. It doesn't have a name but for "Linda's apple salad"
Make dressing first...
2 tablespoons of Raspberry jelly or seedless raspberry preserves...or ones with seeds, if you don't mind the seeds
1/4 cup rice wine vinegar
1 T dijon mustard like Grey Poupon
Celery seeds....lots....about 2 tablespoons
1/3 cup fruity olive oil> Whisk...
3 Granny smith apples, pared, seeded and cubed
3 ripe but firm pears....I like Bartlet but bosc or not over ripe d'Anjou works too...pared cored and cubed.
2/3 cup celery diced
1/2 cup walnuts, toasted.
Toss the apples and pears with the dressing until they turn pink, add remaining ingredients and refrigerate for a couple of hours.

Our must-have is my Turnip Puff. Even those of us who don't like turnip, love this. It's very light and fluffy. Even though it's called turnip, it's make with a rutabaga. Not the purple turnip, the yellow-fleshed rutabaga.

Turnip Puff

6 cups cubed turnips

2 tbsp. butter

2 eggs, beaten

3 tbsp. flour

1 tbsp. brown sugar

1 tsp baking powder

salt and pepper and nutmeg to taste

1/2 cup fine bread crumbs

2 tbsp. butter, melted

Cook turnip until tender. Drain and mash. Add butter and eggs. Beat well. (this much can be done the day ahead.)

Combine flour, sugar, baking powder, salt, pepper and nutmeg. Stir into turnips.

Butter a casserole and put in turnip mixture; combine

crumbs and butter. Sprinkle on top. Bake at 375 F for 25 minutes or until light brown.

In other words, substitute rutabaga where it says turnip? Turnips are sharp. Rutabagas are sweet. Big difference there!

We've never called them rutabagas........always turnips. It was only a few years ago that I realized that they are different. Definitely rutabagas are what you use in this recipe. The Best of Bridge cookbook series is where it comes from.

The other dish is the mashed potato casserole using sour cream and cream cheese. There are many recipes out there for this.

Elsie's Potatoes (Best of Bridge)

5 lbs. potatoes or 9 large 2.5kg

8 oz. low-fat cream cheese 250g

1 cup fat-free sour cream 250ml

2 tsp. onion salt 10ml

1 tsp. salt 5ml

pinch of pepper

2 Tbsp. butter 30ml

Cook and mash potatoes. Add all ingredients, except butter, and combine. Put into large greased casserole. Dot with butter. Bake, covered, at 350F (180C) for 30 minutes.If making ahead, cover and refrigerate or freeze. Thaw before baking. Serves 10-12

Below are 2 dishes we really enjoy.

MAPLE-CRANBERRY SWEET POTATOES

This is not too sweet and is also a very pretty and festive dish for the T Day table.

I prepare and arrange the sweet potatoes and make the syrup 1 day ahead and refrigerate separately. On T Day I reheat syrup, spoon over potatoes and bake.

4 lbs sweet potatoes (5 med)

salt

1 c maple syrup

1 1/2 c cranberries

3 Tblsp butter ( no substitutions)

1) The recipe calls for boiling peeled potatoes with 1 tsp salt. Boil on high, reduce heat to low and simmer, covered, about 30 minutes until fork tender, drain. I bake skin-on potatoes in the oven until fork tender. Set aside until cool enough to handle.

2) Meanwhile, in 1 qt. saucepan, heat maple syrup to boiling on high. Reduce heat to medium, and boil gently 10 to 15 minutes or until reduced to 1/2 cup. Stir in cranberries, butter and 1/2 tsp salt, cook until cranberries pop, about 5 minutes longer.

3) Preheat oven to 400 degrees. If baked, skin cooled potatoes. Cut potatoes crosswise into 1 inch thick slices and arrange in rows in shallow 3 qt. ceramic or glass baking dish (I use an 8x8 ceramic dish).

4) Spoon maple-cranberry syrup evenly over potatoes. Bake, uncovered 20 minutes or until hot.

JULIA CHILD'S OIGNONS GLACES A BRUN (BROWN BRAISED ONIONS)

These are yummy and have replaced Creamed Onions on our T Day table. I double the recipe.

18 to 24 peeled, white onions ~1 inch in diameter

1 1/2 Tblsp butter

1 1/2 Tblsp oil (I use olive oil)

1/2 c stock (I use turkey stock on T Day)

S & P to taste

Herb bouquet: 4 parsley sprigs, 1/2 bay leaf, 1/4 tsp thyme tied in cheesecloth

Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

In a 9 or 10 inch enameled skillet heat butter and oil until bubbling. Add onions and sauté over moderate heat for 10 minutes, rolling the onions so they will brown as evenly as possible. Be careful not to break their skins. You cannot expect to brown them uniformly.

Transfer onions and their sautéing fat to a shallow baking dish or casserole just large enough to hold them in one layer. Nestle in the herb bouquet. Pour the stock over the onions. Set uncovered baking dish in upper third of the preheated oven for 40 to 50 minutes, turning onions over once or twice. They should be very tender, retain their shape, and be a nice golden brown. Remove herb bouquet, serve.

If oven space is an issue, they can cooked on the stovetop, I have never done this, but the recipe is below.

Saute onions as above, then in a saucepan pour in the onions, sautéing fat, stock and herb bouquet. Cover and simmer slowly for 40 To 50 minutes until the onions are tender but retain their shape, and the liquid has evaporated. Remove herb bouquet and serve.

Both methods can be prepared hours in advance and reheated before serving. I usually sauté the onions in the morning and bake just prior to serving.

Enjoy!

MJ

We've never called them rutabagas........always turnips.

Same here, jasdip. I wonder if that's a regional thing. My parents were from western NY state. I was grown up before I knew they weren't the same.

Some great ideas , thanks everyone. Between T-Day and Christmas Day I could get to them all! I love trying new dishes...of course mixed with the "gotta haves"

Ruthanna, that dish sounds like a great way to use some of my kabillion jars of home canned stewed tomatoes!!!

MJ, I don't like to mess with other peoples recipes but how do you think some fresh peas would work mixed with your onions? I do a creamed onion and peas dish but your onions sound more interesting.

Thanks Mj ...yes I would cook them separately and add in just before serving. Going to give it a try

Chase,

Sounds like a good plan. Looking forward to learning how it turns out. I like the addition of the green color, plus I do love peas.

MJ

Two of our typical three sides came from this forum years ago.

Cranberry Jezebel (LindaC via Cooking Light)

Chipotle Sweet Potato Gratin (Mique via Bobby Flay)

Spinach Madeline (Baton Rouge Junior League)

They all have a nice kick which pairs well with a roasted bird.

Just to add, re rutabagas. Here in WV, they're called Hanovers.

Chalk it up to "you learn something new every day" because I didn't know that a rutabaga and a turnip were the same thing?! I'm from the south, Texas specifically, we call them turnips. I've heard the word "rutabaga" but never gave it much thought as to what it was.

They're not the same.

http://www.finecooking.com/articles/turnip-rutabaga.aspx

Both are "turnips"...much of the world refers to rutabagas as yellow turnips...or just turnips and the other turnip as a white or purple turnip. Both are brassicas, but the rutabage is the result of a cross between a white turnip and I think broccoli. The resultant plant has double the chromosomes as the white turnip does.
So while they are not the same thing, both are turnips. Just as chick peas and blackeyed peas are the peas but different.

Rutabaga has many national and regional names. Rutabaga is the common North American term for the plant. This comes from the old Swedish dialectal word rotabagge, from rot (root) + bagge (short, stumpy object; probably related to bag.

In the U.S., the plant is also known as Swedish turnip or yellow turnip (Wikipedia)

Jasdip,

Your Turnip Puff (or rutabaga) sounds very good and I will be preparing that in the near future using rutabaga.

However, to everyone else, can we please return this thread to its original intent of providing favorite T Day recipes and abandon the turnip vs rutabaga comments?

Thanks,

MJ

From Texas, too, specifically West Texas. We always called them rutabaga and the purply ones were turnips. But from what I have read, rutabaga are in the turnip family (whatever family that is).

Yeah I read about it after I posted and it appears they are not the exact same thing but the same family, it's just that they are often confused as being the same thing. So I learned something else. I guess like how people call a sweet potato often a Yam but a yam and a SP are not the same thing at all. What we have here in the US is a sweet potato.

Patti43 posted this corn recipe a few years ago. We love it on our T-Day table.

CORN CASSEROLE

I made this yesterday and it's the best corn casserole I've
ever tasted and it takes no time to put together. Much better than the recipes
using cornbread, IMHO. This will be on our table for Thanksgiving. patti43@gardenweb

1 can corn, drained

1 can creamed corn

4 tablespoons flour

4 tablespoons sugar (I used 2 Tbsp. and it was plenty)

1 stick of butter, melted

1/2 teaspoon salt

pepper to taste

1 cup milk

2 eggs, well beaten

Mix all of the ingredients together. Bake at 350 degrees for
approximately 1 hour 15 minutes. This recipe can easily be doubled or even
tripled, but you may need to increase the baking time accordingly.

Note: It needs to set up a bit before serving.

However, to everyone else, can we please return this thread to its
original intent of providing favorite T Day recipes and abandon the
turnip vs rutabaga comments?

I think there's room for both.

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I guess like how people call a sweet potato often a Yam but a yam and a SP are not the same thing at all.

That's right.

Oh, Walnut Creek reminded me of a corn casserole that I make. It also came from Patti43. This one doesn't use creamed corn though. It's delicious and always gets good reviews when I serve it.

Corn Pudding

1/4 cup sugar
3 tbsp flour
2 tsp baking powder
2 tsp salt
6 eggs
2 cups cream or half-and-half
1/2 cup butter, melted (use butter, not margarine)
6 cups frozen corn, thawed (the corn must be thawed)

Combine dry ingredients. Beat eggs with a fork in a large bowl, stir and cream and melted butter.

Gradually add sugar mixture, stirring until smooth. Stir in corn.

Pour into lightly greased 9x13" baking dish and bake at 350 45 minutes until deep golden brown and mixture is set. Let stand 5 minutes before serving.

We found that the longer it sits the better it is. The leftovers are excellent too.

Cindymac, This began as a recipe post and it would great to continue as such.

Jasdip, corn casserole sounds great!

MJ

I usually make creamed spinach and creamed corn, and SWMBO usually makes a pumpkin squash cream soup.

We will probably skip the turkey this year, or maybe just roast a few pieces instead of the whole bird. If popular demand for turkey is unrelenting, I'll pound some breast and make a roulade with lots of gravy.

For the main, I feel more like making a leg of lamb or a prime rib roast.

Quick sides recipes:

Creamed spinach: carmelize onions, add shallots, cook down a whole lot of spinach, melt brie cheese, mix, season with nutmeg, salt, pepper, Amaretto, adjust consistency with heavy cream.

Creamed corn: melt cream cheese, add corn, shallots, white pepper, truffle salt, Grand Marnier, use immersion blender to achieve desired consistency.

John,

Your side dishes sound very tasty!

MJ

I love that sweet potato and chipotle dish, but several members of the family do not like anything spicy, notably my mother, who loves sweet potatoes. So, I'll probably make those and the sticky sweet marshmallow topped dish too, so we can all have what we want. Or I could make these twice baked sweet potatoes, they're a big family favorite:

Twice­ Baked Sweet Potatoes with Leeks
and Sausage

From Fine Cooking, Issue 114

4 small sweet potatoes (about 8 oz. each)

1 Tbs. olive oil

1/2 lb. bulk sweet Italian sausage (or link sausage, casings removed)

1 Tbs. unsalted butter

1 lb. leeks, white and light ­green parts only, quartered lengthwise and thinly sliced (about 2 cups)

1 tsp. chopped fresh sage

1/4 tsp. chopped fresh thyme

Kosher salt

1/2 cup sour cream

1/4 cup grated Gruyère

Serves 4 as a main course; 8 as a side dish

TIP:
Sweet potatoes have thin, delicate skin that tears easily, so don’t scrape too hard when scooping them out. Leaving 1/8
inch of flesh in each shell will keep it from flopping closed.

Position a rack in the center of the oven and heat the oven to 375°F. Line a heavy­duty rimmed baking sheet
with parchment or foil.
Poke the sweet potatoes a few times with the tip of a knife and arrange them on the baking sheet. Bake until
completely tender when pierced in the fattest part with a skewer, 35 to 60 minutes.

Meanwhile, heat the oil in a 10 ­inch skillet over medium ­high heat. Add the sausage, reduce the heat to
medium, and cook, breaking it into small bits with the edge of a slotted spoon, until no longer pink, 5 to 6
minutes. Transfer to a plate and set aside.
Pour off all but 1 Tbs. of the fat and add the butter. When it melts, add the leeks, sage, thyme, and 1­ 1/2 tsp.
salt. Cook, stirring stirring, until the mixture just starts to sizzle. Reduce the heat to low and cook, stirring
frequently, until the leeks are very soft and starting to turn golden, 10 to 15 minutes.

When the sweet potatoes are cool enough to handle, carefully cut them in half lengthwise and gently scoop
the flesh into a medium bowl, leaving about 1/8 inch of flesh in the shells. Mash the scooped flesh with a fork
or potato masher until smooth. Stir in the sour cream and 1 tsp. salt. Fold the sausage and leeks into the
mashed sweet potato and season to taste with salt.
Position a rack 6 inches from the broiler element and heat the broiler on high. Mound the filling into the
potato skins and top with the cheese. Put the potatoes in a 9x13 ­inch baking dish and broil until the cheese
is golden, about 4 minutes. Serve immediately.

Jasdip, I love rutabaga, it's always used in our Upper Peninsula pasties. I like turnip too, but not as much as I like "beggies". I'll definitely have to try that recipe, I usually just boil them and mash 'em, if they aren't going into pasties! Here there has always been a difference between rutabaga and turnips.

Annie

MJ, lighten up. There's plenty of room for recipes and conversation in the same thread.

I've become a fan of rice dressing or variations of "dirty rice" as some prefer to call it. There's a lot of recipes out there for it but I don't follow a recipe, per se, since it will vary on how much you want to make, the flavor you want and how much you want to make. I just use a guideline and add what I like, leave out what I don't like or others won't/can't have. Rice, sausage, bacon, seasonings, broth, usually add some tomatoes and/or corn, Worcestershire sauce, Louisiana Hot Sauce, "trinity", sometimes carrot, nuts and usually cover about half of it with cheese since some prefer no cheese. I like to at least have wild rice in there and sometimes brown rice with or in place of white rice. I'll sometimes put in some chopped or mini pepperoni too. It winds up as a meal in itself but it goes great with most any meal.

I have only posted once here since the switch, but this thread caught my attention. I decided a couple of years ago to do ham for Thanksgiving, since I host both Thanksgiving and Christmas and just couldn't get enthusiastic about making the same meal twice in a couple of months. So will do ham, "funeral" potatoes, green beans with almonds, brussel sprouts with cranberries and balsamic glaze, baking powder biscuits and going to add this, from Ina. Think the colours will be lovely and it's nice to have something "vinegary" with all the rich food. http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/beets-with-orange-vinaigrette-recipe.html

I will roast the beets, rather than used canned - just my prefernce.

For dessert, pumpkin pie and whipped cream (of course!) and and apple streusel cheesecake for the non pumpkin eaters.

Jane (formerly TobyT)

we do smoked a leg of lamb or braised beef short ribs for Thanksgiving. we got sick turkey decide to be different from every one else.

Really simple side- Roasted butternut squash with Ras el Hanout. Peel and cube squash and toss with evoo, s+p and Ras el Hounout. Roast 350 degrees for 20- 25 minutes.

Was looking through recipes today and came across this one from Linda (doucanoe). I made it a few years ago with a notation that it was very good.

Corn & Wild Rice Pudding

• 3 eggs
• 1 cup heavy or whipping cream
• 1/3 cup milk
• 3/4 cup grated Parmesan
• 1 1/2 cups frozen corn
• 2 cups cooked wild rice
• 1 onion, sauteed
• 1 poblano, roasted
• 1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper
• 1/8 teaspoon grated fresh nutmeg
• 1/2 tablespoon butter

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.

In a large bowl, combine eggs, heavy cream, milk, and Parmesan and whisk well to combine. Add all remaining ingredients except butter and mix well.

Grease a 7 by 11 or 8 by 12-inch casserole with the butter. Pour custard ingredients into prepared casserole and bake uncovered for 45 minutes, or until custard is set and golden brown on the top.

~ Linda’s (doucanoe) adapted recipe from Emeril Lagasse

We are having possibly 12 for Thanksgiving this year, the most ever. I will squeeze as much as possible to fit everyone at our dining room table using the two leaves and my filet banquet cloth. Fully extended, the table seats 10 comfortably, but the grandsons can be squished in with their parents. LincaC's Cranberry Jezabel sounds like a hit here, so I plan to add it to the fresh orange-cranberry sauce I serve every year for the group. I will also serve corn pudding, the stuffed bird, mincemeat stuffed peach halves, twice baked potatoes, some kind of vegetable, and a dessert that hopefully my sister will bake. My refrigerator is too full prior to putting the bird in the oven to store a dessert too, so she kindly makes dessert and brings the vegetables.

MJ wanted to bring this thread back up and thank you for the Braised Onion recipe. I mixed it with fresh peas and it was a huge hit. Nice change up. Made the onions the day before which helped make for an easy yet elegant side on the big day

Thanks again

Sharon

Sharon,

Happy to learn you enjoyed the recipe. I think I will have to try the dish with fresh peas next time. As it turns out, I will not be preparing Thanksgiving dinner this year so it may be awhile.

Thanks,

MJ

Actually MJ, I am having a dinner party next weekend and intend to serve this as a side with my herb crusted rack of pork. It will be great with pork .....no need to wait for holidays !!!!!!

Ooh, you're right! They will be good with roast pork!

And I plan to serve it on New Year's Day for our feast which includes ham and with the addition of Sharon's peas.

MJ, here is my herb crusted pork recipe. It has always been well received. Actually , I am pleased to say I have served it to both Ann T and Annie. The onions and peas would be a perfect side.

I don't always bother with the sauce.....maybe even never !

Pork With Herb Crust

2 racks of pork (3- to 4-pound)

3 TBSP Olive oil

1 1/2 teaspoon salt

7 garlic cloves -- minced

1/3 cup fresh basil -- Chopped

1/3 cup fresh thyme -- Chopped

1/3 cup fresh parsley -- Chopped

2 tablespoon pepper -- Coarsely Ground

1 1/4 cup butter (or margarine) -- cut up

1/3 cup all-purpose flour

2 cans chicken broth

1 tablespoon tomato paste

2 tablespoon fresh sage -- Chopped

1/4 teaspoon pepper

. Rub pork with olive oil, and sprinkle with salt. Stir together garlic and next 4 ingredients; press on to pork. Place pork on a rack in a lightly greased broiler pan; cover bone tips with aluminum foil to prevent burning.

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Bake at 350 for 1 hour and 15 minutes or until a meat thermometer inserted into thickest portion registers 140

Transfer pork to a serving tray. Cover and let rest while making sauce (even if you dont make the sauce let the pork rest for at least 10 minutes to redistribute juices and let the internal temp climb a bit more) Pour pan drippings into a skillet. Add butter to drippings; cook over medium heat until butter melts.

Whisk in flour until smooth. Cook, whisking constantly, until caramel colored. Gradually whisk

in broth and next 3 ingredients; cook over medium heat, whisking constantly, 2 to 3 minutes or until mixture is thickened and bubbly.

Sharon,

That sounds delicious, thank you for the recipe. It must have been fun serving it to Annie and Ann T. Thank you again.

MJ

Served separately. Ann T and her husband visited us many moons ago...Annie , Her husband and Woodie and her husband several years later. Don't want to think how long ago but at least 6 or 7 years, I'm thinking, for Annie and maybe 10 years for Ann T.

Ouch !

Sharon,

Time does fly... Still, what an honor!

MJ

Walnut Creek,

Thanks, the onions will be a nice complement to the ham, especially with the addition of Sharon's peas.

MJ

Sharon, Elery and I have been married for 8 years now, so I'm thinking we visited Toronto 6 years ago, we had gone to Texas the year before, which is why I had a passport, we took that sidetrip into Mexico. It just doesn't seem that long ago...

The pork roast was delicious, in spite of the incident with the oven, LOL, I'm glad that doesn't just happen to me. The real hit for me, though, was that red pepper soup. Oh, my, that was delicious.

Annie

Eight years !!! Get out !

Annie, remind me about the oven incident, I don't recall.... .....perhaps the red wine had kicked in!!!

Yes , the roasted red pepper soup is a favourite , everyone loves it, and it's so easy....especially when you have the roasted peppers in the freezer.

Somehow the door of the oven didn't get closed entirely and the pork wasn't quite as done as you'd planned, when you planned it. We just ate a few extra munchies and talked while the pork finished and it was all good. I think that may have been where the wine came in, LOL.

It was all delicious and the company was even better than the food, if that's possible. I loved meeting you and Clive and Woodie and Ken, and Toronto was busy with the film festival and Elery had his first peameal bacon there. A remarkable trip altogether, that's certain!

Annie

Just bumping this up so It doesn't get too far down. I liked the sound of some of these recipes. This year I would like to cook along with everyone ...my family has a lot to be thankful for and I think it is a lovely tradition.

Haven't finalised the menu yet but pretty sure I won't do the green bean casserole... although I am curious as to the taste. I did read one recipe that suggested making your own creamed mushrooms to cook with beans and that sounded pretty good. Are the fried onions on top essential to the dish?

I'm making a HatchChili corn pudding this year. I ordered a big box of med-hot chilis from the HatchChiliStore. 28 bigJim 10inch chilis i roasted whole, then froze, and smoked a big batch with tomatillos for salsa.

Similar recipe as above but uses corn flour and green onion, fresh frozen corn, half of that is pureed. No added sugar. Canned corn is full of sugar. I froze lots of corn this year, three varieties. The tiny white corn is very sweet on its own.

Our plans are so heavily veggie but i used to make a pearl onion and pea dish. I just might have to make a small dish of it. LOVE peas. This is the time of year when i buy a big bag of frozen peas and limas and spinach. From a farm in Georgia.

I always make a big tray of mixed roasted root veggies, one of everything the market offers. 3-4 varieties of yam/sweet potatoes. Along with baby whole brussels, yellow beets, etc. Harvested a boatload of purple carrots from the garden. That pleases everyone so i don't need to make any one-up casseroles of those.

Leftover roasted roots make a great next morning hash with a nest of dressing and an egg in each nest. Baked.

My dressing/stuffing is a traditional one from Food and Wine mag years ago. I add wild rice, porcini, apple diced, pecans and a small wheel of lamb sausage. Usually 3 types of our fresh frozen bread, one toasted like croutons and some corn bread. One 1/4 loaf i always thaw and leave soft for that good smooch wet texture. Lots of homemade stock.

BourbonCranberry sauce, from the same vintage issue of Food and Wine.

Warm escarole salad with roasted radiccio, matchsticked celery root and golden beet, pears, pomegranate dressing, toasted pepitas.

That magazine is so stained and tattered, '89 i think, but even has a shopping list tucked in that makes shopping easy.

I make Thanksgiving sliders with leftover dinner rolls wrapped in parchment, then foil that go off with those driving or off to the airport. Dressing, cranberry, turkey and a dab of mashed potato as the 'mayo'.

All other weekend meals are seafood except for Saturday turkey soup.

*vegitarians are covered easily if i have any. I recently made a veggie stock that i can make a dressing by taking out a bit of the ingredients while prepping and make a separate veggie dressing. Why i initially added the wild rice and mushrooms years ago.

Pies are pumpkin and chocolate bourbon pecan. Tradition. The BourbonPecan recipe is from that same Food and Wine mag. I just tuck dark chocolate around the crust edge.

We did duck one year, but turkey it is as it is just once a year for us.