James Galway - shrub vs climber?
Dave5bWY
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Climber for zone 5b
Comments (10)I'm too far south to be of much help, but hopefully someone from Chicago will answer. Perhaps try searching dingo2001 and see if she grows climbers. Also bellarose grows some lovely climbers in Z5. Another suggestion is to either visit or try to research what the Chicago rose garden grows that will actually climb. I would look at some of the Canadian explorers. Perhaps give Matt a call at Highcountryroses.com in Colorado, especially as they are having a sale and you can request spring delivery. Just be aware that you have Blackspot and they don't in Co. I would take the suggestions and do further research on HMF For a more local source you could also ask Peter Schneider of Freedom Gardens for suggestions. He also has many roses for sale. I grow many climbers, but am in Z6, and many are newly planted this year, so I won't know until spring which make the grade. For me, these are tip hardy and healthy, but YMMV: New Dawn, Viking Queen, Ghislaine de Feligonde, Belinda and Florentina. I've seen a great specimen of the latter in Z5 Ohio so that is a great option. I suspect Gold Blush will also be, but it is so vigorous, I wouldn't worry about it growing even in one season. Would you consider a series of once-bloomers aiming to stagger their bloom to attain a longer flush and then adding a few repeat-bloomers that may remain short climbers? You might be successful as it will benefit from the heat of your house. Hopefully, someone near you will pipe in, but I agree with Mad that catalogues only give zones for root survival, not cane. Without the latter, you won't have what you imagine. Perhaps you could post a pic of the space and hours of sun....See MoreJames L. Austin
Comments (30)Farmers Branch on my visit list for Spring! Have visited DA in England was not aware of Farmers. THANks. I have grown all the early Austin's most in Houston, which often gives different results. My experiences.... In Dallas - Sharifa is ok not one of my favs. Liked him better in H. I was considering removing him to make room for a modern, he is healthy but tired of his thorns and his semi double summer washed out blooms. . In Houston, Jude did better than Golden. Jude bloomed continually in shady spot, kept flower form and peachy yellow color in summer. My Dallas Jude does not get enough sun to perform consistently. I must have pushed his shade tolerance too too far but I wanted him at the back of my garden where his paler color would draw your eye without stopping it, esp. in evening and at night. Golden gave me a lush spring fall displays in Dallas but he took up too much real estate with little summer rewards so it is gone. Olivia Rose is never out of bloom. NEVER. I am trying to train it into a climber but she keeps telling me she wants to be a large shrub. She is so dependable as to be almost boring. Though she is smaller and paler in summer blooms are still pink and full. The rose no one mentions much that gives me year round beauty is Mary Magdalene; bush stays small and neat, flowers good size in summer, always smells great, little or no disease. She has a lovely habit of leaving a few small petals on her spent buds like tiny pop pom that are lovely for a long time, making for more bush beauty. This even in summer. Though she whites out in high heat she never looks dirty,but rather giving impression of white rose. She looks delicate but isn't probably appropriately named. I have not grown Bolero (on my spring list) but I would think Mary is rather like that rose. Another plus... sprays of both Olivia and Mary last forever as cut roses. The tighter buds will actually open if they have even the tiniest bit of color. I know everyone loves Munstead Wood but his dark summer color reminds me of Prince which I disliked. I grown MW and he is lovely when not black red, but he does have all those thorns. Sophy's Rose is another constant bloomer that keeps form and color. Funny thing, I tried grafted Evelyn when she first came out in Houston. I hated her; octopus arms, with few blooms and then only at tips. I have her in Dallas and she is one of favorites, very consistent bloomer, keeping form and color in summer. Even in Texas results vary so much. I did not give Evelyn much time in H or TLC so fault could have been mine. I grown do grow many others but this is already more info than anyone probably wants. I do go on and on and on it seems. :)) My Dark Lady has been super, I just cut 10 giant blooms before freeze comes....See MoreJames Galway VS A Shropshire Lad
Comments (11)Agree with erasmus and Sheila: I post in rose forum since 2011, and read many posts dated back to 2005. The tons of blooms pics. that people post are often from 2nd-year grafted-roses, that's when they are at its peak. Blooming depends on the age of the grafted-roses for particular climate. I visit both rose parks (Chicago Botanical Garden with 5,000 roses) and Cantigny garden with 1,200 roses. I visited Cantigny yearly for over a decade. The first and esp. 2nd year of roses grafted on Dr.Huey: tons of blooms (more blooms than leaves), then it's a drastic decline in 3rd year and the rose park replaces roses every 3 to 5 years. Rose park's 1st and 2nd year Jude the Obscure's spring flush was amazing: zillion of petals, at least 40 blooms per bush. In the 3rd year late fall, I saw only one bloom on their 7 feet tall Jude (no matter how much fertilizer & water is given). Dr.Huey-rootstock declines in freezing wet winter, esp. poor drainage clay. A friend in Southern CA gave up on her old grafted-Teasing Georgia which grows tall with zero blooms, versus Erasmus tons of blooms & many years-old own-root Teasing Georgia. Multiflora-rootstock behaves the same in Pakistan's hot climate. Rosarians there report Multiflora drastic decline then death within 5 years. A. Shopshire Lad is the wimpiest rose among my 134 own-root roses. Own-root ASL is mainly spring flush. Own-root James Galway has the vigor, it's 20 times bigger than ASL. James has thick canes and grew tall fast with 10+ blooms per flush in its first year as own-root. Khalid in hot & dry Pakistan also reported ASL as the worst among his 200+ roses. There's a thread on ASL with many complaints, and the folks who successfully grow it have the ideal soil & climate & plenty of rain for it. I have never seen a 5+ year- old ASL blooming with good repeat, but I have seen many 10-year old own-root roses with tons of blooms like Erasmus and Sheila's gardens. My James Galway now is 6 year own-root and it's giving 3 flushes a year, versus one flush for ASL. James Galway is best as own-root to keep it small & less watering. James' scent is moderate on the bush but becomes wonderful carnation once picked for the vase, plus James' blooms last much longer in the bush & vase than ASL: James' pink clusters with the best scent (becomes stronger old rose & carnation in the vase), beating Dee-lish & many others' scents in this bouquet: James Galway is the pink cluster along with purple Young Lycidas. James is best as own-root to control its height & less demand for water to repeat. I prune James down to 3 feet in spring, and give him no nitrogen, but high phosphorus & high potassium SOLUBLE with trace-elements, plus garden sulfur to lower pH. James repeats 3 flushes a year in my short-summer zone 5. James is compact & tall like a pillar, and NOT messy like other Austin climbers (crown princess mag). James is in 4 hours of morning sun, and I'm sure it blooms better if more sun:...See MoreBest Rose: Jeanne Lajoie vs Mortimer Sackler vs James Galway
Comments (21)If black spot is an issue for you in zone 6a, I strongly recommend that your climber(s) should be none of your three named possibilities. Austins are not known for black spot resistance except for Olivia Rose and possibly one or two others. That's not too good in light of there being well over 100+ Austins that have been commercially introduced. My many Austins trialed over the past years were all black spotters. As soon as I decide this spring which roses are going to get shovel pruned, I hope to finally put in at least one Olivia Rose. This goal is long overdue, then our Kristine LeGault's strong recommendation of OR to me will be accomplished. Thanks Kristine! I only grew Jeannie Lajoie of the three you are eyeing, and then, that was many years ago. For me its flower was mini, but the bush was quite substantial...not by any means mini in stature. 12' basal canes were the rule. The basically barely scented, light pink bloom itself is 1.5", heavily petaled, high centered, and the bush's spring flush was spectacularly lavish here, to the point where the foliage was almost completely obscured by flowers. However, repeat blooming was sparse, never improving over the years. One JL could easily cover a 8-10' section of 4' high fence, planted on center, and given about 5 yrs. to do it. A bush at either base of your trellis would do the job. When my two bushes were finally dug out due to their annoyingly poor repeat bloom, and need of regular spraying for black spot, the crowns were a foot across! Ah yes, JL is a black spot magnet, just about 2/3 defoliating by mid-summer if not regularly fungicide sprayed. At least, that was my experience, and the same for all who grow JL around here. Do yourself a favor and go black spot resistant. Take a good hard look at Quicksilver, almost the perfect climber, which laughs at black spot. Moses...See MoreDave5bWY
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7 years agoHi Ann, the picture from Facebook is what it looked like for me this spring/early summer. When summer pruning in late July I reduced his size by half (from 8 to 4 ft) but then continues to grow. Canes are 10-12 feet long now and arch more. But hey, it brings the bloom closer to eye level - right? Here is one from today - only an average bloom but shows his color:
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