You need to add exact measurements of walls and windows (wall space between windows and doors), after rough layout is decided.

Layout discussion thread.

Yes...and no. I can tweak the windows and move appliances a smidge. Plus there is plenty of room so I will need additional cabinets that will be made to fit. So this exercise is just "what is the best use of these cabs and what gaps do I need to fill?"

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. We need to know the width of each space available, to know which cabinets will fit.

For example, is there 30", 36", 48", etc. between the range and the door trim? Makes a difference on deciding which base cabinet will fit there. If the range can shift by a few inches, what is the length of the wall, between the door trim and corner? Does the corner cab open to the left, or to the right? (ETA, I think I found the corner cab on the seller's drawing, upper right corner.)

Layout help FAQ - with sample layout that MamaGoose mentioned:

How do I ask for Layout Help and what information should I include?

• http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2767033/how-do-i-ask-for-layout-help-and-what-information

Thanks. I'll add this tonight!

U shaped kitchen:

• short run: 6 foot wall (so cabinets can use all 6 feet or be a bit shy of that as we can use trim and or move the doorway a few inches)
• long run (sink run): 18.25'
• range run: 10' but could shift by a few inches either way
• ceiling height 9'3"

We are finalizing windows and doors now so we can accommodate some subtle changes at this point.

Banquette as drawn is 10.25' long (too long) and entry to mudroom is too narrow (4') so thinking of making banquette a foot shorter and entry from mudroom to kitchen 5' wide (esp as a radiator will consume a bit of space). Will this fit a 7' table/ prefer not to go custom.

Cabinet sizes above. We want to use a range (30", 36" or maybe 48")

Anything else to add?

REVISED KITCHEN COMPONENTS

Base cabinets

47" x 24" 3 drawer cabinet

47.5" x 24" 3 drawer cabinet

44" x 24" corner cabinet (left hand side is the blind end)

37.5 x 24" cabinet (I think this one is garbage/recycling--both doors have hinges on the left)

45" x 24" sink base cabinet (I want one big sink not a double sink--would love it under a window, centered, if possible)

24" x 24" base cabinet

22.5" sink base cabinet

Upper cabinets (with shelves)

range hood 50" x 25" x 33" (don't need to use this if it doesn't fit)

wall cabinet 59.5 x 51 x 12.5

wall cabinet 69.5 x 51 x 12.5 (43 inches exposed, left side hidden in corner)

wall cabinet with glass front 43 x 51 x 12.5

wall cabinet with glass front 20.5" x 51" x 12.5"

Appliances

undercounter refrigerated drawers unit (27")

will get a new fridge--flexible on size

will get a new dishwasher--standard size

range--can either use our 30" induction range or move up to 36" or (??) 48" gas range depending on kitchen layout

would be nice to find a place to tuck the microwave --I do not want a fancy/expensive built in one so thinking maybe in the island?

In the original kitchen the island was made of: refrigerated drawers, small sink base, and a third cabinet that I don't have (but we don't have to replicate this).

Oh yes...and how big do I want the island to be/how wide should the clearances be with this kitchen layout? thanks very much for any comments and insights

Here's a plan using your original layout (which you know from the
other thread would not be my first choice for a functional layout), calculated
on 18'3", or 219", with a center line of 109.5". It uses all the
cabinets except the 69.5" corner wall cabinet, with optional open
shelves to fill in the uppers on the short walls. If the 69.5" cabinet
can be reworked, you might be able to use it on the shorter wall,
instead of the 59" upper.You would need two new bases--9" to the
right of the sink for cutting boards or possibly a pull-out for spices, and 12"
to the left of the sink--possibly for sheet pans or another pullout. I
included 3" of filler in the corner, but you could add another 3" and
have a 9" pull-out for symmetry. I thought about using the 37.5" base on
the sink wall, but the cabinet is 1.5" too long (the 3" filler is
there to allow the drawers to open past the oven door handle, so double
check that the fridge doors will open without hitting the oven door
handle--you might need a couple of inches more filler).

If you can adjust the windows to the left by a few inches (6"?), you can have a 6" pull-out on the left, and put the 37.5" base to the right of the sink. The UC fridge drawers could then go to the right of the range, with a new cabinet/pull-out to fill the gap.

And another version, which would give you symmetry on the sink wall, and trash in the island, but would not use the 47.5" base, and would require more new base cabinets/pull-outs.

Mamagoose--wow. These are great and we will work through them alll and no doubt have questions. I have been pondering your larger issues of layout with my husband, who is the primary cook

We already have a DW in the butler's pantry so only plan to have one more in the kitchen so that frees up space. And we definitely don't need to use all the cabinets. I'd love to use the big drawer units and 44" corner unit but am fine with not using others if the lead to a less useable space.

Sink base is massive--fine if it works but sink will probably be 29-32" single bowl under mount stainless so that could be a smaller cab

ditto for the 37.5" two door garbage/recycling cabinet. Both doors on that open to left (hinge on left). Not sure if that can be switched or even repurposed as sink base?

Do I want easy access to garbage/recycling from eating area?

By the way, what program did you use to create the layouts?

Thanks again!

I downloaded your pic and opened it in Paint (actually that's what I did the first time I helped with a layout--now I just copy the pic/drawing and paste it into a Paint shortcut I keep on my desktop). It's easy to use the 'select' function to capture and move boxes. The boxes I drew are estimated to be the correct size.

So, only one DW in the kitchen is good news--I misunderstood your post on the other thread, about adding a second DW to the main kitchen. You can easily put the trash/recycle base to the right of the sink, in the main prep area. Are the trash and recycle bins attached to the doors, to swing out with them? If so, I would retrofit pull-outs, and attach the doors to the slider guides, which would make it much easier to use the pull-out from the sink side.

If the main prep space will be on the island, I'd leave the trash there, and put the 47.5" base to the right of the clean-up sink. If you put a 12" cabinet in each corner with 3" filler, you'll have symmetry within .5" on the sink wall. If you use a cabinet with only a full height door (no top drawer), you might be able to omit the filler, and increase the new 12" cabinets to 15". Drawers and/or pull-outs would definitely need filler to open past the hardware or oven door handle on the perpendicular runs.

Since your sink base is 45", have you considered the Kohler Stages 45, or a similar sink? At any rate I'd use at least a 33" sink (which I have, and love--it hides lots of dirty dishes). 36" seems to be a popular size, too.

I forgot to mention in the previous posts that I made the island less deep, and increased the width of the work aisle. The island is 42" deep, which includes the standard 24" deep bases, cover panel, 16" seating overhang, and front counter overhang. Also, the pull-out I put on the end of the island could instead be a bookcase for cookbooks.

Mamagoose--you have totally inspired me. I played around with Paint (love it--how did I not know it was loaded on my computer?) and fit everything except the 69.5" upper cabinet in. I'm wondering if it can be built in above the radiator in the mudroom (hmmmm....).

Anyway, I unwrapped the 37.5" base cabinet and found out that it is actually a pull out garbage/recycling on the right half and on the left half it is designed with slats for trays and baking sheets (!)

See what you think.

And I would love your thoughts on the clearances you recommend around the island because friends who just did a big and very grand kitchen reno have large clearances and have found that they wish the island were a bit closer to the the counter run.

WINDOW ISSUE

Now the windows are concerning me--I won't have uppers that go around the corner to the sink run and I love love love light and view but...does it look odd to have wall on both sides of the windows? would it be less odd to space the windows? I have made them larger in this iteration but cannot go the whole length of the wall because of the sloped porch roof constraining how far to the back the right hand window goes.

This has been so helpful. Thank you for all the time you have taken.

Red cabinets means that they need to be custom made to match. Other cabinets are existing.

Cabinet layout looks great--I'm happy to see the super susan because that will alleviate any issue with drawers hitting the oven handle, and using the corner cab in the other corner will do the same.

NKBA recommends a minimum of 42" in a work aisle, but 48" if it is a two-person work aisle, which yours would be with the clean-up sink, DW, and prep sink m/l back to back. That's the official stance. My aisles are less than recommended, and they work fine for me, although I don't have a sink in the island. I've read a lot of posts stating that folks have less than ideal aisle widths, and they have no problems. I've read posts where other folks say they need 56" or more, so it's a combination of personal preference and space available. If you plan to age in place, or you have a lot of traffic in the kitchen, you might want to consider the wider aisles.

NKBA guidelines, illustrated

Forgot the window wall issue--I think space on each side of the window will look fine, but you can always use some artwork to fill the blanks.

One example: