Offset the sink and consider a large single bowl. Two people working back to back can bump where you have things now. The ovens open will interfere with the frig door. The frig door when you open it creates a traffic block. How much clearance do you have between the frig and the counter top edge.

Agree with Dan - you might want to move the DW to the very end of the island so that when you are doing dishes it won't interfere with cooking. and keep the sink next to it. This might allow you to swap out the two smaller drawer cabs for one larger one in the island. Agree as well that fridge and oven placement is not ideal. Could they move the ovens to the opposite end of that cabinet run?

ditto with above. I find the fridge and oven placements really awkward.

If you leave them as is, make sure you have done some really careful measurements wrt how far the oven handles will stick out (I don't mean the depth of the warming drawer/oven boxes but rather the depth INCLUDING the handles) You need to make sure that there is enough filler to the left of the fridge so that the door of the fridge can open wide enough to get things out and for any drawers to come out past the door.

You also need to make sure that the oven doors can open past the fridge door handles. So you need to make sure you have enough filler to the right of the oven stack to handle this.

In terms of someone trying to get into the fridge and someone else needing to get into the oven at the same time - just awkward.

That whole thing is very awkward and I'd be trying to fix it. But it isn't my kitchen and I wasn't in on the planning of the space.

Thank you for your replies. I do not want to make a rush decision. We totally agree with oven and frig/freezer placement. Yes, drywall is done but if we need to change things around, we can and will.

The warming drawer has to go in stack with oven and microwave bc it is so deep- anywhere else and the cabinets would have to bump out :/ Unless maybe we did a bump out where induction cooktop is going and put warming drawer there? Under the cooktop.

Sink is single bowl- Kohler Riverby.

Lauren,

Is your warming drawer custom? Most warming drawers are made to fit in standard 24" base cabinets. If I remember correctly, my Miele warming drawer is actually 22" deep.

Good luck with your decisions and I love your attitude about fixing what is wrong. I think removing the warming drawer from that stack and changing the placement of the fridge and oven will make for a very nice kitchen.

Good luck!

Hurray for your sink. One thing down. I would now move it down a little. You layout has the configuration for another upgrade for working surface space. If you have room I would increase the depth of the cooktop counter to 30". This doesn't require deeper base cabs. They can be spaced out and a cleat put on the wall for counter support. This will make those work zones much more productive and easier to use. Spead out space. Some design work because of the oven stack.

Warning drawer is Jenn Air. 30" wide. Is there a slimmer warming drawer?

Quick search says Miele and Kitchenaid have 24" versions.

My sister has a warming drawer and stores pots and pans in it. As all of your posts mention it, it seems to be of great importance to you, but I wonder whether you'll end up using it...

Anyway, the concensus here is move the DW and sink down, and move the oven stack. Is there anything else we can do for you?

HEY quit pushing. This hasn't been easy.

Lauren,

i have a couple of ideas for your kitchen. Can you provide some dimensions? What is the amount of space between the island and the fridge? My first idea is to move the fridge where the small 22" cabinet is closer to the Windows. This gets people coming into the Kitchen to get a drink out of your way while cooking. Also, how important is the symmetry of the cabinets on the back wall to you? Looking at the sizes, 22" drawers would not work for my needs but may be fine for you. I think making them 36" would allow you space to move the fridge and keep the oven stack where they are. 30" cabinets would also work. You have a great space to work with. Do you have a pantry somewhere or was the 22" cabinet that option? If so, I would use the space where the fridge current is and make it 15" deep for great storage and easy access.

Are you set on a 48" side by side fridge freezer?

Good luck!

I am thrilled to know about the 24" warming drawer. We will for sure use it. We are staying with my parents and they have a 30" warming drawer. I just measured it out and feel that the 24" Miele is plenty big and am hoping to move the warming drawer to the top of the 24" cabinets.

Also the island will have more seating space past the dishwasher. (we flip flopped trash and d/w) Ignore all the seats- we'll never have that many. I decided instead of 3 drawers next to the dishwasher, I'd like 4, more shallow drawers. Same with under the cabinet that will hold appliances. I feel 4 more shallow drawers are a little bit more usable.

(edit- also just doing a 30" induction cooktop, not 36")

I am pretty set on 48" frig. Pantry is in laundry room.

Layout is below. THANK YOU for all ideas. We are meeting contractor in 3 hours! eeek! ;)

One suggestion is to switch the oven stack with the appliance storage column.

It will make for a less crowded corner where the fridge is and improve the visual weight of that wall.

Your most recent plan says that there is a pull-out pantry by the fridge - is that still right? It doesn't appear that's the case on your elevation drawing.

I'm not sure you have enough space to the left of your range for the fridge. Technically there is but I don't think there will be enough breathing space, although if you move the range to the right it might work. mmmm. lots for you to consider.

I believe some microwaves also have a warming option. My sharp drawer one does, but we've never tried it. Those are 24" deep

I was rethinking moving the fridge and I think I would try to leave it where it is and just be mindful of the handles on it and anything else for clearance.

Those 48" fridge/freezers are behemoths and if you were to move it to your range wall it is all you would see from the island seating and the dining area. . In its current planned location it is less noticeable.

I see a number of problems with your layout.

Your aisle width is too narrow. I'm going to assume that they measured cabinet to cabinet and not counter to counter. So 42" will really be narrower. I widened the aisle to make it now 3'10" which will give you enough breathing room. The way you had it if more than one of you are working in the kitchen at the same time, it will be too tight and can be dangerous if you're at the cooktop and someone needs to get by you. This now gives enough room to walk behind or even for one to be at the island cleaning up and for you to be cooking.

However that now made it a pinch point behind where the seating was. So to accommodate the difference, I made the island a bit narrower, which removed one stool.

Then I flipped the ovens with the appliance storage. This also allows the food to come out of the oven and walk it around to the table or counter, without bumping into someone using the fridge to get out last minute condiments, etc.

To keep your counters "even" so the cooktop looks centered, I moved the cooktop over a bit towards the fridge/freezer.

All this takes away the crowded feeling in where the ovens/fridge/freezer where.

One other comment is your range hood should ideally be 3" larger than your cooktop on each side.

And that particular wood hood is strange, and strangely proportioned. It definitely needs to be larger to work visually. Both wider and deeper. At 30" above the cooking surface at a minimum. 36" might be better. The bisecting line just doesn't work with it, whatever that might be.

Thank you for all comments- everything is being taken into consideration. Cabinet plans will be adjusted. I think the frig/freezer will stay put. It appears there is room for a pull out pantry to the left of the frig which I am excited about. Which also means there is room for the door to open. I have chosen a Jenn Air oven with a euro handle which is much slimmer than a a pro style handle.

Warming drawer cannot go to island; not enough power. But there is room under the cook top which is where I think it will go.

I think the vent hood will be similar to the one in this photo.

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The OP might be talking about not having a dedicated circuit wired into the island for this. Where we are, all MW because of their power, now have to have a separate circuit from anything else.

Ah, gotcha blfenton. I love GW. I learn something almost daily.

What a lovely space you're going to have!
I did notice the tightness of the fridge/oven area, too, but I know nuttin' 'bout no butt-wide kitchens. :)

I look forward to your finished pics!

Unless you are doing a true built in refrigerator, with zero clearance handles, that fridge wall oven area will not work. Your wall ovens won't open. And the freezer door will smash the wall ovens. Plus it wastes storage. Think about giving up that much refrigeration. And moving to a range.

About the hood -- attractive in your inspiration photo I think because of the glass front on the flanking cabinets. When I saw your first drawing, my first thought was that it looked so heavy and closed in. I think the mass of the hood needs a little breathing room, just like a window is better without cabinets butting right up to it.

Full disclosure, in my small kitchen I am guilty of butting the cabs right up to the windows and the undercab hood so it is not a huge thing, just think it would look better if you can sacrifice the space.