HVAC Estimate Advice (Costco/Lennox)
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Advice needed for replacement of HVAC System
Comments (16)please block out your name and address. I thought that 80% gas furnaces were not being sold in the north anymore. savings to upgrade to 90%+ offset costs to make this change in efficiency. not sure what date this goes into effect, but when the hvac industry makes this kind of change..its a big deal. doesn't often happen that they change the minimum efficiency that the law allows. the minimum efficiency for a/c for example changed from 10 SEER to 13 SEER because of the difference in efficiency. as energy raters we saw every rating the savings between 10 & 13 SEER. when the hvac industry makes this kind of minimum standard change..there is a good savings. use the rebate to offset costs between losing 20% of your heating costs to losing only 10% or less. with 96% your loss drops to 4%. has any company done a load calculation to correctly size the unit? has any company tested or even inspected duct work for duct loss? if you air seal the ducts and returns and invest in air sealing the house.. then the unit will perform better and your comfort will improve. utility costs will also be lowered. check with Resnet for an energy rater in your area to blower door test house & test ductwork. make repairs, test again. reducing air/duct leakage has a fast payback plus other benefits. best of luck....See MoreHVAC replacement advice needed!
Comments (4)sjharris Heat pumps have been used in the Southeast for many years and developed a bad reputation due to "cold heat". those days are over for the new models. if operating costs are important, I would get rid of the propane heat altogether. you live in an area/climate that is perfect for HPs. you may need your electric service/breaker panel modified or upgraded for backup heat strips. ask your quoting dealers. here is my recommendation. 15 SEER, 12.5+ EER, 9 HSPF best matching var speed air handler full BTUs both cooling and heating for rated size R-410a refrigerant new and correctly sized refrigerant lineset scroll compressor electronic demand defrost preferred staged backup heat strips thermostat with "dehumidify on demand" feature Look at Carrier Performance 15 "H" model(sister mdl Bryant Preferred 15 "H" model) or Trane XL15i(sister mdl Am Std Heritage 15). You will probably find Carrier or Bryant less expensive. IMO Good Luck!...See MoreAdvice on HVAC installation / NJ Energy rebate program
Comments (8)My first advice would be to find out how much insulation you currently have in the attic and what condition it is in. You should have at least R-30 of insulation. If you are adding more than it doesn't cost much more to increase it to R-40. I like fiberglass batts, but blown in insulation is fine as long as it is done properly. This is something you can do yourself or hire an insulation company. I am sure you were told that as part of the NJ Clean Energy Program you must seal your attic in order to qualify for any rebate. I have never seen any measured results of energy savings before and after sealing. The attic hatch should be sealed since in my opinion it is the biggest source of leakage. This is something you can do yourself. Several years ago I built my own insulated hatch for about $15. If you seen dirty insulation that is dirty in spots, then that is a source of a significant air leak. You can use silicone caulk to seal them, or you can have the insulation company seal and then insulate. I see that you have gotten some quotes. I also detect that some and possibly all have not done a load calculation for your house. Any HVAC contractor who quotes either a 2 or 3 ton AC for an 1100 sq. foot house in Middlesex County (I am in the same county) NJ obviously has not done a load calculation. If you are going to upgrade the attic insulation then do that first, and then get a contractor to do a real load calculation. If your windows are double paned and fairly tight, then I would think a 40K BTU furnace and a 2 ton furnace are the correct sizes. As far as equipment goes, I own Carrier Infinity equipment and so far I like it. The Bryant equipment is exactly the same. I am a fan of 2 stage furnaces and AC and in my opinion are worth the extra money. Trane/American Standard is also very good. I have no direct experience with Lennox, but from what I understand Lennox uses unique parts. The parts have to come from Lennox and are sometimes harder to get. I think you said your current furnace is 11 years old and 80% efficiency. Normally I would say to keep the furnace another 5-10 years. But if you plan to live in this house 10 or more years then you may want to consider replacing and keeping the correct matching AC. Here are my opinions on the quotes: Company #1 Quote #1: Carrier Performance AC is good, I don't think you need 2.5 tons and the price seems expensive. Quote #2 Carrier Infinity 58CVA furnace is very good, but it is only 80% AFUE. I recommend spending a little more money and installing a 95%+ AFUE furnace. The Infinity 24VNA9 is overkill for our climate. You can save money buy dropping down a model or two and getting an AC that has a SEER rating of about 16. If the AC is sized properly and is 2-staged then I highly doubt you need a whole house dehumidifier. That would be a waste of money in my opinion. Company #2 and #3 I am not an expert on Lennox, but I think some of these models don't compare that the Carrier Infinity in terms of features. The fact you are being quoted different AC sizes is a red flag for me. Company #4 Quote #1 Bryant Legacy 2.5 ton for $4600 seems reasonable. I would want to see a load calculation to see if you really need 2.5 tons. If you keep your current furnace you will have a mismatched system. It will work, but you don't know the SEER rating, Quote #2 Bryant Evolution is the same as Carrier Infinity. Very nice equipment but the price seems high. Here is quoting a 2 ton. So why is he quoting 2.5 ton in Quote #1? I see no size listed for the furnace. Quote #3 He now quotes the 3 ton size. I guess he thinks you may want to hang meat in your basement. A 3 ton AC, even if it were 2-stage, is going to short cycle and you will still have a humidity problem. Once you discover this he may suggest getting a whole house dehumidifier. Correct sizing is critical. This guy does not seem to care. In summary you haven't found a good contractor yet. Carrier rebates start March 1st. The March - April time frame is the best time to get quotes in our area. Contractors are not busy and the pricing is a little better....See Morehelp, Lennox vs Day and Night HVAC Same price
Comments (19)Great questions Mike! I can’t tell you how helpful you have been! This installer gets rave reviews and really helped us in a jam one time. He was only willing to quote the one system now because he is so busy and his back hurts but says he will do upstairs when he gets the time. He was a little curmudgeony with me but as a woman by myself (and 3 little kids) I find this very common with contractors. Especially when I ask them to consider a smaller system than we currently have or they know I got multi bids. His price is a little higher than the others but not the highest given the two stage. Plus the Day and Night team backed out and our heat is on its last legs. I called and asked the Bryant guy to do it yesterday but have not heard back yet. I’m scared to ask him for anything at this point. If the Bryant guy cannot do it then I’m considering asking my Fraser Johnson guy (who insists on 4+5 tons) to install first the 4 downstairs and then if it is undersized like he predicted then change it to upstairs. Although this sounds very expensive and possibly not possible. Anyway thanks so much for coming with me on this journey. You wouldn’t believe the lies I have been told during this search which I only caught because I got multiple quotes....See MoreAustin Air Companie
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