1st season rose disappointments
Over in the rose gallery, dublinbay started a post for showing off your newest roses. You know the ones that wow you right off the bat. Which got me thinking about new plantings that are struggling, disappointing, unusual or just not flourishing as you thought it should.
Everything I have planted thus far is blooming well, except one. It is Abraham Darby, which many rave about. It's not growing like any of my other Austin's. This is it's 1st season, it is already throwing out leggy canes, has had a basal break, attracts pests -aphids, rose slugs, Japanese beetles. And I have yet to see a beautiful bloom. I know I should be happy with the growth, but I think I planted this in the wrong spot for the size it will get. I'm also wondering if this is normal behaviour for it, or maybe it was labeled incorrectly. All the other Austin's I have are nice & bushy so far. Any advice would be great.
And please post any of your disappointments & not so happy roses here as well!
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Comments (27)Hello drscott, One item that drew my attention is spacing in general and #7 in particular. SFG gardening has very little to do with simply growing things compactly. It must be in very good soil. Good soil is more central to the basic concept than space despite its name SFG. If you plant corn in ordinary top soil 1 foot apart I would not be surprised that corn would not do well especially since it is the prime example of nitrogen eating plants. If you are a bit careless with the soil SFG will disappoint and this has been an issue with me when all I had available was commercial compost since I had recently moved. I did have a box that seemed have some issues on the corners with some plants. If you have space and reasonably decent top soil then why not use the space you have? However don't plant in big rows which I think is universally foolish for home gardening unless one is going for a farm appearance. 4x4 beds or some such is far better for weeds, disease and soil compaction. I had come to this conclusion as a teenager when I did a row garden and 4X4 in ground bed side by side. However having done all the above including SFG, I would have to say SFG is the least amount of work. This includes container gardening which is a bit more work mostly because of watering for the exchange of the ultimate in flexibility....See More1st RRD for 2010 season
Comments (4)Around 2007, I had my first case of RRD on 2 adjacent thornless multiflora rosebushes. About a month later in another area of the garden, my Petite Pink Scotch came down with it. In 2009, my 6ft tall Robin Hood caught it. In all cases I cut the bushes way back to the ground. Then the following spring they sprouted and looked fine and I assumed I had caught and removed the diseased portions in time. In mid summer they all showed signs of the disease. I again cut them back to the ground but this time I sprayed them several times with roundup to kill the bush completely. My conclusion is that now if I see a bush with RRD, I shall prune it to the ground, bag and discard the prunings and immediately spray the remains with Roundup. By letting the bush regrow, I was unknowingly providing an infected source for a mite to land on, ingest, and then spread the infection. In no way were the witches brooms due to Round Up since none had been used in the area. The mite is spread by the wind. In all three cases, I had noticed we had strong crazy winds about a month before I noticed the damage. Crazy in the sense the winds kept whipping around changing direction constantly and whipping the tree branches first in one direction and then another. In addition, now when we get violent winds, I start looking for RRD several weeks after the wind and continue to look for signs. Jim...See MoreIt's true... roses do not perform well after 1st year in pots
Comments (15)All my roses are in pots for the reason that I'm a renter and that I like to rearrange roses periodically. I'd echo many of the points already made. I agree growing roses is generally easier in the ground but can be successful in pots. I'm not personally familiar with Austins. The one I recall growing years ago, Graham Thomas, was a sprawling monster not suited to being in a rose bed with bedding roses, let alone in a pot. It also blackspotted horribly, but that's an issue only of concern is some regions and climates. Selecting compact varieties certainly helps. Drainage and good potting medium are key. As already mentioned, lots of tap roots are not helpful in pot culture. I'd just add that this is precisely why I try to avoid roses grafted on Dr. Huey. I don't know what Australia's roses tend to be offered on as far as rootstock. But Dr. Huey rootbounds for me after 2 years. Growing roses on their own roots is my preference for pot culture. They seem to adapt more easily to pot life. If I can only find a variety I'm looking for on Dr. Huey, I'll get it but watch it and plan on root pruning every couple years, or, when appropriate, rooting a cutting from the grafted plant to replace the original. Occasionally a rose doesn't grow well on its own roots. I either give up on it or get it grafted on multiflora or fortuniana. Both have plentiful feeder roots and few to no sprawling taproots. Sometimes I procrastinate about root pruning, but usually by at least 4 year intervals I will do it at winter pruning time and partially replace the soil at the same time. That seems to rejeuvenate the roses. If it doesn't, I replace the offending rose. There are always new varieties on my wish list eager to take the spot. Though potted roses are more trouble in general, one advantage is I can control and ensure good drainage much more easily. Another is that I never struggle with invasive tree roots, which often happens in the ground. Mike...See More1st Plumie Drama of the Season
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7 years ago
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7 years agoLove the look of the flowers on Mr. Abe but he gets to be a bit of a brute in my climate, so I don't grow him.
Flowers that are doing well for me this year
Lady of Shalott--much more apricot/peach colored than the bright orange she was last year. She was moved to a very large pot so her sister, Princess Alex of Kent could have her spot. Lady of S is in her second year as a own root. Her sister was attacking people as they came up to my front door (so much for the size P A of K was supposed to be according to the DA website). She is a monster rose who is sulking about being moved at the moment.
Lady of Shalott after a rainstorm
Candice has probably been one of the best roses I have grown. She is new this year and I just love her. Takes the heat without even blinking and is even still pumping out booms when it is over 105 degrees outside.
Blue for You and Eyes for You are both new this year and doing well. Again, they are pumping out the blooms and they are first year, own root.
My Wedding Cake rose is also doing very well this year. Lots and lots of blooms. She is always changing colors.
My Brother Cadfael also had a brilliant spring bloom this year.
This is the first year, own root for Mary Magdalene. She also seems to take the heat well. I think she will be a keeper.
Plants that did well last year (first year own root) but are going through the terrible twos this year are Occhi di Fata, Flamingo Dancer, and Maroon Eight. I wasn't expecting much as this is a pattern common for my own root roses. I expect better things from them over the next couple of years.
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7 years agoFirst Crush. Big disappointment. Here's the best it looks.
Here's the usual:
Only once have I smelled a delicious fragrance. The rest of the time, nothing. But it does grow strongly and is disease free.
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bethnorcal9
7 years agoMy biggest disappointments are the mis-marked ones... from Hortico. Not that the roses are bad, just that they aren't what they were supposed to be.
This was supposed to be the J&P version of MONET aka GRAND IMPRESSION... a rose I lost in the septic tank re-do last yr. That rose is an orange blend. This rose is in fact "MONET" but it isn't the one I ordered and wanted. I already have this rose...
This was supposed to be ROTARY SUNRISE, an apricot blend from Fryer's. This rose is likely either ROTARY ROSE or ROTER STERN.
And this one was supposed to be WINTER SUN.. a yellow Kordes rose. I have no idea what it is. It's gorgeous tho. I'm just disappointed in not being able to ID it. The people at Hortico are very kind in offering to replace all the roses, but this one I'd just like to know what it really is. It doesn't appear to be anything I have already. And every time I ask if they can ID it, I don't get a response about that. Just a response saying they will replace them... frustrating!
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7 years agoMine has been Jude the Obscure from own root I planted last Fall. It seemed like it had a good start, putting on beautiful leaves with the first solitary bloom being magical, cupped and with a wonderful scent. Then it was attacked by roseslugs and katydids, I guess Jude is a insects favorite too grr. The growth has been sprindly since then.
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Ann9BNCalif
7 years agoI'm a bit disappointed with Francis Meilland, a rose I bought at a summer sale a few weeks ago. It may be the heat and stress, but FM hasn't bloomed to look like the rose I took a photo of in the spring at the same nursery that I bought him from. When I'm interested in a rose, I take a photo of the flower plus the information tag so I don't have to rely on a memory of what I thought I liked.
This is my FM, all the blooms flatten out, turn white, and last about a minute.
This is what I thought I was buying based on this photo from the spring.
Does anyone have this rose - is there hope? :)
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7 years agoAnn, I've had my Francis Meilland at least three seasons, I think four. I've always been pleased with the blooms , mine are long lasting. The first two pictures are from earlier this season, same bloom, the third one is from last year. I think mine improves a little every year. Love the fragrance. Not a prolific bloomer, but getting better. I'm sure yours will improve with time.
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