I'm so sorry about all the problems and breakage on the red one. Awful for that happen. But it looks nice now. I do like Tasy on some of mine. And definitely let them all set over-night before I move any. That birdbath is absolutely GORGEOUS. I love, love, love it. What great colors! Hmmm, you gave me some ideas for hummingbird glass feeders. (I think that cobalt bottle I recently showed with the metal hanger must've been one). But I found a large round multicolored globe in a neat copper holder and been trying to figure how to do something with the bottom so I could hang it. Thank you for inspiration. hugs, Karen

Chance, I don't think you are "mad". I think you just haven't been educated yet in exactly HOW to count roses. HOW TO COUNT ROSES -- Kim_SC at Gardenweb 1. Mini roses donÂt count. 2. Floribundas  because they are not full-fledged hybrid teas  count as half. 3. Shrubs, Climbers, Ramblers, Old Garden Roses, etc. donÂt count because they can be considered "landscaping." 4. Roses not planted  or in pots  donÂt count. (See the "Territory" Clause). 5. Roses that were discounted count as half. 6. Roses received as gifts donÂt count. 7. Odd numbers must always be rounded offÂif youÂre out of room, round the number down. For every one-hundred, divide by two. This is known as a "stock split." 8. Roses whose names you donÂt know or can't remember obviously donÂt count. 9. Roses that are on Shovel Prune Watch donÂt count; the roses that replace them also donÂt count as they cancel each other out. Duplicate/multiples count as one as they are considered a set. Roses that are not planted in a bed donÂt count. (See the "Landscaping" Addendum). Bareroots donÂt count because they are dormant when they arrive; once you plant them and they start to bud outÂwell, youÂve already done your count, so you will just have to wait until next seasonÂby which time youÂll be sure you already counted them. Mislabeled roses donÂt count because you probably already have one of them somewhere, which has already been counted onceÂprobably. Anything less than Grade 1 counts only a fraction, and since fractions are not whole numbers they can be rounded off (remember the rounding off rule). Roses that you think you might give away can be excluded from the countÂmakes it easier to part with them; if, by some chance you wind up keeping them, wellÂoh well. HTs that get huge and wind up taking more than one space should be counted twice, but remember the duplicate rule. NowÂif, after counting, you have under a hundred roses, you must immediately place some ordersÂand they donÂt count because theyÂre in transit and therefore not in the ground. Roses ordered on a whim really donÂt count because they were never on a list. (This is known as the list rule: If itÂs not on a list, it doesnÂt existÂmost likely). If you cut many roses and give them away, this is considered Charity, and everyone knows that you get special allowances for CharityÂwhich brings us to Tax Deductions (see Claiming Roses as Dependants). See? You really didnÂt have as many as you thought you didÂtime to go order some more. K.

whoops, Carol, I posted in the original post but then saw your new one. Here is what I wrote. I really feel a photo is unnecessary. And here is why! Carol, I had to chuckle about how enthused we are compared to the beekeeper lol! I'd bee like ooooo-oooo, I gotta seeeeeee! O.k. Carol, I do disagree a tiny bit with your apiarist. He was saying "board it up in the fall". I say no need to do this. From all the research I've read, bumblebees never reuse an old nest and rebuild one from scratch every year. An old nest tends to just fall away and disintegrate. Carol there are several clues on how to tell a bumblebee from a honeybee. A bumble bee has far less "abdomen" (honeybee's abdomen is much more elongated). A bumblebee tends to be very bulky and tumbles and bumbles around in its flight pattern, whereas a honey bee zeroes in cleaner flight patterns. Bumblebees have far less stripes as well. They also have a heavier thorax (the mid-section). It's very easy to tell a honeybee apart from a bumblebee, but some solitary bees can look a little bit closer to a bumblebee. If that bee looks fuzzy, it isn't a wasp for sure! Wasps have very hard shells and "loud" patterns on their stripes (too much contrast)or very odd protrusive body divisions. They look pretty yucky, lol! and a wasp isn't going to have pollen smeared saddlebags either, that's for sure, lol! Wasp legs tend to be very angular and yucky! I have full confidence in you! I'm sure you did not! mistake a wasp for a bee!

elanalv, you might want to post your question on the Antique Roses forum. This sounds like a similar question posted recently, and you may have a noisette, flowers range in size. There is also a "Rose ID" forum. If you want to post pictures, try using photobucket.com. Create an account (it is free, they don't spam), upload your pictures. Once you upload, under each photo will be three boxes. Copy all of the text in the box marked "Tag" and paste that line in the "Message:" box here on the forums. Your picture will appear.