Info From SE growers- for DA Alnwick and Molineux Roses
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Comments (45)WOW!! Thanks a bunch Celeste. Those are the best pics I have ever seen of Mayor of Casterbridge to date.....The blooms are amazing.....a very strongly supported cup with tufts of exterior petals outside the cup and moderately and artistically packed interior petals. The contrasting button eye fits it well. My one question about MOC was whether or not the blooms were large enough, but going from the proportion of the blooms in comparison to your hand, they look HUGE. How large would you say MOC's blooms are? I have only heard a few vague reports that they were small, although like yourself, I have heard so little about Mayor of Casterbridge. I was only going to get 1 pink.....but now I have to kill one of the children and choose between Pretty Jessica, Mayor of Casterbridge, and the other pinks. I have a feeling I might end up getting 2 of the pinks....which would still make the decision terribly difficult. After 3 days of viewing and researching, I have only decided on a white in winchester cathedral. :) I'm still looking over yellows at the moment and my top 2 so far are Golden Celebration and Charlotte, although I would have probably chosen Charles Darwin as it has big cup shaped blooms, but it doesn't look as if Roses Unlimited carries him. That is going to be a toughy decision there. Happy Child is still a possibility as well, although it's a little more lemony color rather than a yellow that I am leaning more towards at the moment. Grace is a unique Austin. The bloom form is unique from the others. I havn't looked at the apricots much yet, so it's hard saying off hand which ones I am seriously considering. I know I saw Carding Mill and really enjoyed it's appearance or substituting it for an orange blend like Lady Emma Hamilton.....or going off the wall and choosing The Alnwick Rose...although I've heard the blooms are quite small. Still have a lot of research to do on Apricots, Oranges, and Alnwick itself. I still have to choose on one of the "reds" too yet. :) At least I have Evelyn and Winchester Cathedral down though....assuming they still have them in stock....See MoreOwn root purchases from DA website
Comments (15)Any grafted rose you buy anywhere has a reasonable chance of being virused (RMV), although there is no reason to assume that grafting automatically means virused rose--because there is also a chance it is not. No one can predict, but we do know that virused stock is common in the rose industry. Out of all the grafted rosed I have in my garden, only ONE has shown occasional signs of being virused--the non-Austin called Earth Song. That "sign" consists only of zigzagged lines on some of its leaves, usually for a short time at some point in the late spring. The rest of the year, I see nothing. It certainly hasn't hurt the rose any--it blooms and reblooms profusely and boldly, receiving lots of compliments from visitors, and it very disease-resistant. So even though it has RMV, it hasn't affected the rose in any other respect that I can see, and it most definitely has not passed on the virus to other roses in the 7-8 years it has been in my garden. I think you may be confusing RMV with RRD--Rose Rosette Disease or Virus. RRD is entirely different and you must dig up and dispose of an RRD rose. However, nothing needs to be done about an RMV rose--people have been known to grow them for 20+ years in their gardens. So what it all comes down to is that: 1. RMV is NOT contagious, so there is nothing for you to worry about. 2. There's a chance that MOST grafted roses MIGHT have RMV (or maybe not!). Austin roses are no more likely to be virused than most grafted roses you buy. 3. The ONE rose in my garden that has RMZ is NOT an Austin and has been blooming profusely for 7-8 years now. I still prefer the extra oomph a graft gives a rose starting out in the garden, but I also have many own-root roses as well. It's like six one way and a half-dozen the other when it comes to issues like that. Hope that helps. Kate...See MoreMolineux or Graham Thomas?
Comments (32)Hi Michaela I agree with Ingrid's assessment of Carding Mill as a climber, since it doesn't remotely seem to want to climb for me. By tall, I mean between 5-6' and about 2' wide, rather like Queen of Sweden. It would lean against an obelisk, but wouldn't really climb up it, and it has been pretty self-sufficient standing on its own. You could put a Carding Mill on one side of those windows and a Queen of Sweden on the other side and they'd have the effect of a pillar without really needing the support. Among the things Chamblees lists for climbing, none of them remotely climb for me. Benjamin Britten and Eglantyne barely clear 3' for me in a good year, and Abraham Darby isn't much taller. Gertrude Jekyll might condescend to reach out a little over time, but so far she hasn't. The closest Austins I've seen for "climbing" are Teasing Georgia and maybe Tradescant. Frankly, though, TG sprawls rather than climbs, and Tradescant weaves around other plants at maybe 3' high and 5' wide in a good year. Oh, I just thought - the one Austin that does climb and in fact needs a support is Crown Princess Margaretha. It has very loose floppy canes that beg for winding around a short pedestal, which is where I have them. It's a creamy white that wouldn't be ideal in the spot you mention, though. In general, for that spot I'd look beyond Austins for a climber - twin trellises of something suited for our zones like Quadra or Illusion would make much more of an impact. That means you can spend your extra Chamblees credit on something else you've been drooling over. Cynthia...See MoreDA roses to carry based on certain criteria?
Comments (6)I am in a much different zone than you are. I grow several DA roses and have for years. I grow on own root as my grafted roses pretty much reverted to root stock and I had to dig them out earlier this year. Princess Alexandra of Kent One of my favorites. Gets to be a monster and I think she would rather be a climber in my hot, hot weather. She keeps pumping out blooms even when she get reflected sun and it is 114 degrees outside. I love her huge beautiful blooms. One of Austin's best. She has canes over 8 feet now and I just cut her back a bit to keep her in line. I am expecting great blooms on her until I prune her in late December. I had Sharifa Asma. I loved that rose but she was in the same area as the root stock invasion so she had to go. I probably grew her for about 13 years or longer. She takes a long break between blooms. She doesn't seem to like our heat all that well either. I have no issues with black spot or other diseases where I live so I can't answer any questions re: how she does with them. I also don't spray and grow organically (for what that is worth) She stayed rather small for an Austin here. She was about 3--4 feet wide and about 3 feet tall. The first time I saw her in bloom, I was ready to pull out all my other roses and grow nothing but her. She is that beautiful. Scent to die for too. I miss her a lot. Other DA roses I highly recommend (and remember I am in a very different zone than you are) would be Brother Cadfael (grows very tall and upright), not a great rebloomer and prefers cooler weather than where I live. However, big, beautiful flower and a scent to make you swoon! I would also second Munstead Wood. One of Austin's best. Gets to be big in my climate. Canes are about 5 feet long or so. Blooms when it is hot. He is just something else. Flowers will go from florescent dark pink to maroon depending on how old they are and the time of the year. I am looking at a big bouquet of them as I type and they are the deepest maroon, practically black. Gorgeous! I also love Pretty Jessica. She stays about 4 feet tall and about 2--3 feet wide. Very upright. Great blooms and does well with heat. Good rebloom as well. That is her in the far left in the picture. I have also grown other Austins. I have Lady of Shalott. Not too wild about her, yet. Hasn't really done much of anything, however this is her first year, so I will patiently wait for her to grow up a bit. Very bright orange flowers that I hope will tone down with time. Lady Emma Hamilton couldn't take the heat here and died. Alnwick has not done much of anything, but again, first year, own root. I wish his flowers were bigger. Sister Elizabeth--not much of anything. Looks like she will stay small for an Austin. Again, first year, own root so we will wait and see. Just got Mary Magdalene, so can't say much about her as of yet. Emily--really can't get that rose here anymore. Very small for an Austin. About a foot high and a foot wide. Not good repeat. I keep her for sentimental reasons. Mary Webb--very few nurseries carry her. Small for an Austin. About 3 feet tall and wide. Very pale yellow flowers that fade to white immediately. Not great rebloom either. Ambridge Rose--reverted back to rootstock after 15 years of so. Smallish for an Austin. About 3 feet tall and wide. Great blooms. Not wild about the scent. Fair rebloom. Evelyn--gets to be a bit of a monster here. Tall (about 6 feet or so). Upright. Poor rebloom. Beautiful flowers and a scent to die for. I do miss her as well. She reverted back to rootstock after having her for 10 plus years. Jude the Obscure--is now very obscure. I did not like that fickle rose. Rarely bloomed here. Nothing to write home about. Never did see what the hoopla was all about for that rose. He is out of my garden. Peach Blossom--a nice pink semi double. Always the first to bloom and the last to bloom in my yard. Makes great hips and a great rose. Loved her. A bird decided to plant another plant in the middle of her so unfortunately, she also had to go this year. She was very pretty. So those are my run down. Heritage was also beautiful but couldn't take my heat. Good luck with whatever roses you decide to get....See More
dublinbay z6 (KS)
7 years agoI'm not from Florida, so ignore my info. if it doesn't seem pertinent. I also don't grow Alnwick--so--
I'm in zone 6 (KS). Here, Molineux is maybe just a bit taller than Alnwick, but it is a somewhat upright, somewhat narrower bush--but I can't tell you if it is narrower or not than Alnwick. My Molineux are about 3 ft tall, but I have heard of Molineux from some other regions (like California) that supposedly get much taller and wider.
Molineux is quite floriferous and does a pretty good job handling heat--though its blooms aren't real long-lasting in the hottest weather. I've been under the impression that Alnwick doesn't do that well in the really strong heat--so you might check on that. I think both roses have blooms about the same size--not quite 3 inches, I'd guess.
Don't know how susceptible Alnwick is to blackspot, but Molineux will have a few problems periodically with it, but it is not a BS magnet.
Molineux changes its color a lot, depending on how much apricot highlights it puts on.
I really like my Molineux. But Alnwick is a lovely rose also, from what I hear. Let's face it-- you probably need both, don't you think? : )
Kate
filly_z8bFL
7 years agoLol thanks for the info! I have ordered both and an Evelyn lol! I wasn't sure which one to put next to her, either Molineux or Alnwick. The picture might help me explain the layout better. Please excuse the mess since I'm doing some summer clean up! The agapanthus in the middle looks horrible right now since we have been having 90+ degree heat and rain showers.
Evelyn- will go where I have the white hedge hogs so the Brick will be a nice back drop for her.
I'm unsure which one to put on the corner of the garage (essentially to the left of Evelyn). And then the other will go to the far left (I will be removing the little clump of nepeta to make way for a rose plant). The bush that is planted to the side was previously there from the owners. Holly bush. I hate them. But they are all along the south and north sides of the foundation and healthy so my husband won't let me remove them.
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