Cl Crimson Glory. Fabulously fragrant, large blooms, and in my garden it has climbed up a rose folly and then an arch - I would say to a total height of 10-12 feet. It is the climbing sport of an old (1935) HT. HMF says that the bush form gets to 6/7 ft tall, so you might want to look at that.

It is crimson. It fades towards the blue end of the spectrum, not towards orange.

Thanks! I've learned I definitely prefer reds that fade toward blue, and not orange.

I don't know how tall Falstaff will grow in your zone, but it might work for your setting. It has a beautiful fragrance and blooms.

Falstaff at Helpmefind

I recently posted on the Rose section regarding Munstead Wood's size, and have concluded it can get much bigger than stated in your clime, so you might be OK going with it. http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/3923578/munstead-wood-bush-size?n=7 Rhode Island red might also work as a climber.

I don't know about its disease resistance in your climate, but another to consider, in addition to all these good roses, would be 'Cl. Etoile de Hollande'.

How about Ascot? I have two. One is about ten feet tall, and the other I prune down more, so it's about eight feet. They are at least eight feet wide. The blooms are a winy red with old fashioned form. It's available from Palatine Roses in Canada. Diane

Ascot

Looking down on Ascot from above; I'll try to post a whole bush photo in a day or two.

Thanks! Ascot is very interesting. I'm also glad to hear Munstead gets bigger in this climate - its so excellent in other ways I may just add more.

Diane, that Ascot is to die for! Wish I had space for him.

My Munstead sends out at least 6--8 foot canes. I keep him pretty well pruned so he doesn't hit anyone as they walk by. He does have some nasty prickles.

That is the most beautiful Ascot I've seen! So old fashioned looking...the list lengthens...

If you have a spot that isn't hit with midday sun but still gets good morning sun, consider throwing the old Hybrid Perpetual 'Pierre Notting' into the mix. I think of it as being rather Bourbon-like in growth, sort of like a less vigorous 'Mme Isaac Pereire' that way. But its blooms are the color of a fine aged Bordeaux, and very fragrant. I posted a lot of pics of my garden in my Spring 2016 in New Brunswick, NJ thread, and this shot from today shows true-to-life color on 'Pierre Notting'. The double-center form isn't typical, but happens sometimes. Usually it's more cabbage-shaped. Rogue Valley Roses carries it. Be patient -- it takes a few years to show you what it's got.

:-)

~Christopher

That's excellent. I've tried searching on dark red hybrid perpetuals but nothing beats personal experiences.

You have some good suggestions here.

Perhaps you should contact Linda of Long Ago Roses for recommendations since she is also in the NC piedmont, has a great collection of roses, and knows them well.

http://www.longagoroses.com

Let us know what you decide!

Virginia

I regularly scan her listings ;-). However, I may go the boring route and get two more Munsteads. The color and health are excellent and I already have one. I don't like to buy more than one of a rose but as a foundation planting matching would look best.

I don't think most rose gardeners can expect Munstead Woods to get much larger than 3.5 ft tall--but evidently some very warm places can get larger ones. However, there is also William Shakespeare 2000--nearly the same shade as Munstead Woods, but a bigger and much more sprawling bush.

I'm not sure how tall you are looking for, but if you want more of a pure red without all the purply or dark burgundy shades of Munstead Wood, then try Clements modern shrub (with Austin's Dark Lady somewhere back in its lineage) called Braveheart--stays pure red to the end! Blooms a lot like an Austin shrub--but for me, gets only about 4 ft tall. Don't know if that is too short for you or not. I'm thinking right off hand that the only place you can buy it is at some place like Roses Unlimited.

Braveheart shrub--

Hope that helps.

That Crimson Glory above is truly gorgeous, isn't it!

Kate

Tradescant has been a great rose for me. I grow it as a short climber.

I noticed today the color and form of the blooms almost achieve the same loveliness as Tuscany Superb (below)...but with a better scent to my nose.

Aqua eyes, can you comment more on Pierre Notting? Two of three HPs I've seen down here looked terrible, Enfant de France and Baron Pravoste at Duke Gardens (no spray, heavy pruning though). Reine des Violettes I have, but she is stingy in the rebloom with pegging.

What is your experience with PN in NJ? Many good flushes a year, one spring flush and scattered rebloom, one spring one fall? Heavy feeder? Blackspot? I love the scent and form of HPs but I don't want to get carried away about a class that some say has many faults, but if it grows in par with the average Austin I would get it!

Thanks, Chris! It's direct, personal feedback with varieties that makes this forum a unique place to go.