Miele Inspira g2120 dishwasher rinse/drying/end blinking
Steve Snyder
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Comments (29)starfish24, Basically what happen was this....... My Diamante Plus unit is now 15 months old. I had used the original Miele tabs (half a tab per load) up until Oct/Nov of last year when I ran out. I went to buy another box, but it was replaced by a "newer" Miele tab that is now phosphate free. I again used half a tab per load and that box lasted me until about April of this year. I went and purchased a 2nd box, same "newer" Miele Tabs. It was a week or so later that my unit was running one night (with the half tab) and I went upstairs and saw something that I forgot to put in the dishwasher. So I back to the kitchen and opened it up to add the item. To my amazement, there was about 1" of suds on top of the water. I added the item and closed the unit back up, and it continued it's cycle. I know from before, that the original Miele tabs did not make suds, because once or twice I did have to open it up mid-cycle to add something....but this was the first time I had to do it while using the newer tabs. So I called Miele Tech Support and told them. They said "You need to use half a tab them", which I then informed them that I already was using half, so they then said "then try to use less, like one-forth of a tab." I tried it that night, but you can only cut them so much with scissors before they start to break apart. So instead I crushed them all up into powder using to large spoons and mixed it all together. I then used a one-half teaspoon measuring spoon (which is equal to a quarter of a tablet) to does it out into the detergent door of the dishwasher. I saw that it still did make some suds, but not nearly as much as when I was using a half tab, but everything still came out clean. So since April, that is what I've been doing, just using the one-half teaspoon dose for each nightly load. When I went to run the unit on July 22, I pressed the power button on the front, and it started a continual drain mode with the 3 yellow LED lights (rinse, dry, end) all flashing. I could not select a program and start the unit. I called Miele Tech Support, which instructed me to unplug it, and shut off the water to the unit from under the sink, so that is what I did. He said that there is a lower-pan under the unit with an overflow protection switch that will put the unit in a continual drain if it gets wet. The unit was unplugged and unused this all weekend, as on Monday 24th there was to be a service tech to come out, but he was out sick, and the other tech was booked-up, so I was re-scheduled for three days later. A bit later on that Monday, I plugged the unit back in just to see if it was still on the continual drain, and it wasn't, so I was able to try a Rinse mode, and it worked Ok. At that point, I didn't want to use the Miele detergent any more, as I had a feeling it was the suds that got down in the lower pan and tripped the overflow circuit. So I went out and got the Method Smarty tabs. I tried those (half and full tab) and it cleaned just fine and there was no suds. Now on Thursday the Miele Tech and the Area Tech Supervisor came out to inspect it. The dishwasher did not have to be pulled out. All they did was remove my lower wood toe-kick board and unscrew and remove rectangle shaped metal plate on the bottom-front (about 6"x3"), that would normally be covered-up by the toe-kick. Behind that metal plate was a bottom metal floor and he showed me where there was died-up detergent. There was also a circular piece of white plastic that was on the bottom, and attached to something else above it. He said that was the overflow protection, that if water or suds happen to get down in there, that it triggers the circuit and puts the unit into the drain mode. But they said all the water gasket seals were fine, and ran it on a rinse, and no water leaked down in there. I showed them the pictures I took of all the suds from the newer Miele tabs. They both looked at them and said it didn't look excessive, but said it still really shouldn't make a lot of suds. Neither of them could explain as to why the newer Miele tabs made suds, but said that overtime it could of built-up and then triggered the over-flow down there. The Area Tech said he was going to "forward it up" so that the other departments can be aware of my issue and maybe have to re-test the Miele Tabs on their own. They also tested my water hardness and said it was 5 grains, which my unit was already set to that level. I showed them the Method tabs and said I've been using them for 3 days and haven't had any suds from them. The one tech said he uses regular Cascade powder detergent in his older Inspira unit, and it works just fine for him. So to sum it up... I believe the suds from the newer Miele tabs that I have been using since October of last year was the cause of the problem, and eventually got down in the lower pan area and triggered the overflow circuit. Then when I had the unit unplugged and not used for 3 days, whatever was down in there dried-up, and released the overflow protection. So I'm not sure how the tech would "fix" it if there were water/suds down in pan at the time of him being here, since mine was all dried-up and just had some white residue....See MoreWhich of these Bosch/Miele dishwashers will be best?
Comments (16)I went to the Bosch web site and I can't find any of the 300 series models you mention so I am not sure what they offer. It's not easy to compare entry level models of one brand with with top of the line models or another brand but you can compare price. You didn't list any models in the 800 series but this is their top of the line so that should be good. You did mention Miele Advanta, and the Inspira. These are entry level Models. I don't care for the Advanta although I know folks do have them and like them. I don't care for it because it has a different drying system than all of the other models. They have passive condensation drying which just lets the dishes sit and dry by condensation. The rest of the Miele models use a fan to assist this process which I think helps things dry better. Only MY opinion! The Miele Optima is the mid point in the line and It offers more flexibility in cycles, energy saving features, and loading than the entry models....See MoreMiele Inspira dishwasher with hidden controls
Comments (13)Tomalyse I don't have the Bosch so cannot accurately describe its features but I did read the news release regarding the new 2007 models. Everything that is on the Bosch 2007 models is all ready on my 2006 Miele G2830 Laperla model which was released in the U.S.A in 2006 but released in Germany in 2004. If you read the Bosch press release they explicitly compare their new models to those manufactured in the U.S.A. not to models made elsewhere so for the most part I think the features found on the new release are all ready on the Miele....However..some of the features may not be found on all Miele models so you have to examine them to see. I would order the brochure from the Miele web site. it also contains general installation sizing requirements..I think it is free. The softest Miele is 42db which is what Bosch is saying is on their top end new model...but I think this is relative to what is going on in your area. Racks found on the OPTIMA and above can handle the placement of glasses in the bottom without breakage. Once you get up to the Excella there is an added advantage of being able to remove the center rack and then wash only in the bottom. I actually like this better than top rack only since you can place tall large items in the bottom easier than in the top and since glasses can also go in you have more flexibility. Excella and Laperla also have alternating spray arms and automatic spray pressure so don't need to draw a lot of water to keep everything moving. The spray pattern differs by what cycle is running. If you check the printed information in the U.S.A you will NOT find out about the alternating spray arms. It is not mentioned, but can be found out about on Euro web sites. But the feature is there just not talked about in the U.S.A. I think both Bosch and Miele DW clean. I think all Mieles clean. The Excella and Laperla have some addtional cycles which are nice. With them you can add a soak or extra pre rinse or extended drying to some cycles. There are some cycles that cut the time duration down, and still clean just fine. There are cycles for cheese and pasta which provide an extended hot prewash and a very hot main wash. Both machines make use of sensors to vary the wash temperature and the make up of the cycle( wash and rinse durations, number of water changes - to match the soil load. Both of these use Automatic Load recognition to adjust the amount of water taken for each fill to the size of the load. Sometimes there is so little water inside it's scary. The top tray holds cutlery and parts of it can be removed and adjusted so that if you have tall items in the middle rack they can protrude up further. The tray also frees up some space in the lower racks. Middle racks can be raised, lowered, titled. There is a thread around here called Miele Load. I posted some pictures of one of my loads run last year. If you check that thread you will see how the dishes can be placed in. The Bosch made for the U.S.A requests you to supply a water temp of at least 120F so you are the one heating some of the water to that temp to get best performance. Miele has no such restriction and will heat tap cold water to almost 170F degrees used to wash pots and pans so I suspect this is one reason there may be the difference in electric costs. Also which one of the Bosch cycles is using that low amount of Kwh and under what conditions can you use that cycle? There may be one other thing that contributes to this and that is that Miele uses a fan to assist in drying. I am not sure Bosch does this. Both use a form of convection drying. Rather than just letting everything sit Miele uses a fan that draws in cool air from the outside and then blows the air in a space between the outer and inner tubs. The difference in air temp helps the water condense off of the dishes. Outside air never touches the dishes. Some folks talk about having a high loop. My dishwasher is not next to the sink and the drain line goes straight down through the floor and into the basement. No high loop and the machine holds the water in and prevents any from backing up into it. All Mieles have the anti leak protection from the bottom of the DW as well as the fill and drain line(electronics is running through the fill and drain hoses and they cannot be cut). My previous Miele from 1996 also had this feature. There are posts on the board where people are saying that their dishwasher is virtually silent. I don't like that term because at the upper end the Miele, and now the 2007 Bosch is 42db and the naked ear can still hear that, so if I sit around and listen for the DW I WILL hear it. If other things are going(conversations, radio,cooking, HVAC on high stage) then I don't hear the DW. As others have said there is not that much difference between 48db and 42db plus surroundings and construction materials will also have an impact on how much you hear. As I stated in the beginning I don't have a Bosch so cannot accurately describe their features, but these are some things found on the Miele. I purchased this current one last June. I used it to replace the previous model purchased in May 1996 because I redid the kitchen, and liked the smooth touch black panel which matches everything else. No problems with the the first Miele DW at all, and it operated as new on the last day I used it. So I purchased this next one expecting reliability and good results. So far so good....See MoreNew Miele Dishwashers?
Comments (30)Hi guys, Picked up a Miele G2832SCi here in Australia just last month (April 2009). And you won't believe the price - AUD$2099 (approx USD$1490). Of course this was a run-out price as the new G2833 is here, but I heard this was on back-order. Love the G2832 - even if it's not called "La Perla", it is still a gem (!). And it has the salt refill in the door, though that makes a funny kinda whoosh-rattle sound when the door is opened or closed, as the salt grains move around. But my favourite feature is the basket configurations - so much more flexibility to put stuff anywhere. Extra bits can go in either top or bottom basket. Eg. extra salad plates - fit in middle basket no problem; extra glasses - pop them on top of the three fold-down shelves on the bottom basket. PS: ask me anything about the G2832 - I've just about tried every wash cycle by now....See MoreSteve Snyder
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