@georgect I hope you sent the regular tide back with loud complaints. I have found Amazon very good about policing their sellers to be sure you get what you pay for. I usually look for the "fulfilled by Amazon" label to be more sure. I've also gotten my Somat DW powder from Amazon both the 1 kg size and a 3 kg size. I'll have to get more of that before it's gone. Great stuff.

Personally I can't tell that much difference between the HE and non HE Tide with bleach powder. It has never been much of a sudser and I have soft water.

Hi Sparky...I haven't seen you in forever..how have you been? Oh by the way I was just thinking to myself a few days ago and realized all this time I've never known if your male or female...so which is it Sparky Boy? Girl?

@poppy214...I immediately called Amazon and they had me print out a return UPS label and I shipped it back that same day (and I got my refund).

I did leave a comment and gave them one star.

I'm a guy.

My Walmart has kept the 80 size cheer in stock, but there is usually only 2-3 boxes. I picked up another when I went there last week & a box of tide plus bleach. I keep getting paranoid that they are going to discontinue all powders!

George....doesn't your Cheer box say....he for both?

I don't think Cheer made a strickly HE.....it was regular. Or he for both.

I like Cheer powder but man oh man does it suds with my water. I can typically use almost 1/2 cup of detergent and be fine, but Cheer he for both I can't even use 1/4 cup too much suds.

It is HE for both so I'll have to see how sudsy it gets.

I CANNOT use Cheer reg. (now discontinued formula) or the new he for both.

SUDS, SUDS and never rinses. I am amazed so many of you love it. I also do not think it cleans very well, nothing feels good afterwards and I do not care for the scent. I mean it actually smells great in the box, but after washing and drying.....Meh!!!

But, the suds and never clear rinses!!!! :-O

You've tried it in the LiGi, Larsi?

Alex.. .you had good luck with Cheer in the Samsung so with your new baby and its added water you will continue having good results.

I like Cheer, its preformance and scent, but its a suds'er in my soft water.

You're probably right, MamaP, though I'm starting to learn a few things. The Samsung I had used so little water that I really had no idea what was a sudser and what wasn't, and what clean rinsed and what didn't, because I couldn't really see the water. For example, I used the exact same amount (one scoop) of your Tide Vivid White in the LiGi and I got BIG TIME suds whereas using the Samsung it looked fine. All about water level and agitation. But I'm optimistic that Cheer will be fine.

(full disclosure: the temp was also a lot hotter on that load where I got a lot of suds -- 175F I think)

Yes, tried in LiGi washer. Even as low as a tsp. or two. Teaspoon!!! SUDS!! Neighbor lady got a 120 load box. LOL

You should start donating your detergents to a non-profit at least so that you can lower your taxable income. Given the amount you abandon, you might find yourself in a lower bracket. :-o

Alex Chicago....LOL. Luckily for you, I am not allowed to say what I want on Houzz. It might start with a captial C though! Ha ha ha ha

Larsi..for petes sake my precious chick...the 120 load box of Cheer doesn't come in HE ...no wonder you had issues.

I have the 120 load Cheer from Target for both machines. No problems with suds and I use 1/4 to 1/3 cup depending on load. No hard water either.

Cheer did have just an HE powder a few years ago. I bought it at Sam's. It was Cheer Bright Clean in a light blue box. Had HE and regular formula's back then.

I had called P&G about this in the past..sometime this past winter they told me there is no HE Cheer in the 120 load size...guess someone didn't know what they were talking about...you sure Sparky your HE is 120 loads?

My current Cheer from Target is 120 load but is for He and all machines, the latest version. The Cheer Bright Clean from Sam's was also a 120 load box and was strictly for HE machines and said Clean Rinse Technology on the front.

I never saw that version atWalmart, so I called and asked about it (P&G) and they told me it was only available at Sam's. That has been a couple of years ago now. Now as you know it is for all machines. I used the Regular Cheer before in my front load with no problems.

Sparky...I have 2 of the old blue boxes of Cheer which have a special meaning to me..lovely gifts from Larsi...Thank You again Larsi.

MamaP....Mine said 120 loads, HUGE box for he and regular machines. I have also in the past tried just regular Cheer and the short lived he Cheer. ALL suds, suds, suds!!! Oy!

Difference in water I'm sure although I don't have hard water but mine is not softened mechanically like yours Larsi.

Sparky my water is not softened mechanically either it is soft city water, but even the Cheer *for both* gives me suds headaches.

OH GAWD! I hope this won't be as sudsy as Persil.

My liquid Cheer is VERY good at not making much of any suds (I really have to over dose for that).

Okay Larsi, what's your top three favorite detergents again?

Greeny...I am awaiting my Bubble Bandit, so I hope that will be my most fav detergent ever. LOL It has phosphates, enzymes and supposedly little to no suds.

But what I have and use now, and are my Favs are:

Classic Original Scent Tide "he" powder

Persil Pro-Caps

Miele Ultra White powder (or Tide with/Bleach powder vintage). Both give me too many suds though, but whiten amazingly well. For whites, I have been very recently been using Rosalie's Zero Suds with a Tide boost pod. NO or very little suds and perfect whites.

What are your 3 fav (NON-lavender) detergents? ;)

Hmmm, that's a tough one Larsi. Since I found this forum I've been trying more detergents. I've used the Seventh Generation ultra power plus fresh scent formula exclusively for years. There's four enzymes, a fantastic light citrus scent (none left after dryer) and it leaves clothes soft. And there are just a few suds. I've been trying the Tide formulas and the ultra stain release free works really well. The f&g pods work well too. I haven't tried any Tide powders yet.

I've been using Biokleen's premium plus powder for workout clothes. Gets the stink out and leaves no scent.

I can't wait to try the new yet to be released Tide Purclean. It's lavender honey scented though. We'll have to see how artificial that smells. I'd also like to try the Persil fresh linen scent and I like the way the new Purex with Clorox smells. There are two scents and both smell good.

I was thinking about this more...I love the aroma of the new(ish) Method 4X beach sage flavor. They also have a liquid fabric softener and the dryer sheets just came out a few weeks ago. They all smell fantastic-very herbal and masculine. I'm only worried because the varieties are all very strongly scented. I like a very light scent out of the dryer.

I'm also interested in A&H formulas for some reason, both the powders and the new bioenzyme power formula. Not sure why I'm drawn to this but I keep smelling them. LOL.

Well, it's happened: I went back to our local Target to pick up more 120-load Cheer HE -- gone, gone, gone. I took it for granted that I'd have a steady supply. Replaced with liquid Cheer. The WMart across the street still carries the 80-load, so I picked up a few. It's just a matter of time, I bet.

We have soft water, too, and I don't sense we have any issues w/ suds. I don't notice any residue nor off-texture when I pull the clothes out of the washer, and there's barely a hint of Cheer scent at all.

The Target I was at this weekend still had the 120 available. I'm more and more convinced that individual stores decide to stock it based on sales. The Target I went to is in a largely Hispanic neighborhood and had had more powders than the one I usually go to.

All my local Target stores still have the 120 load Cheer. You can check their inventory online:

http://www.target.com/p/ultra-cheer-fresh-clean-powder-120-loads/-/A-14230391#prodSlot=medium_1_3&term=cheer+laundry+detergent

Greeny I don't see where the link shows Cheer HE...isn't that for standard machines? I can't understand P&G I had a long drawn out conversation with them twice where they told me there was no such thing as a 120 load box of HE on the open market, that it was only sold at Sams club. This was quite awhile ago, last spring, they also told me the 120 load box for standard machines was discontinued and there would only be 80 load boxes of he for both....so where are you all finding Cheer powder 120 load HE..I want some.

The Target online link shows a powdered Cheer not listed for HE machines:

A few months ago, I placed an online order through Target (not realizing our local store carried the HE Cheer powder). When the order was already en route, it hit me that I didn't think to look for HE on the box pictured. When the order arrived, however, they had indeed sent the HE version:

The upside is that I didn't end up with two boxes of Cheer I couldn't use. The down side? Given Target has the non-HE pictured on their site, who knows WHAT will arrive in the mail!

I do think it's he for all machines and they just didn't update their picture. I'll try to stop by my local Target and snap a pic for you today.

Greeny is right. It's just an outdated photo. Both the 120 load box in my storage unit and the 120 load box I saw at my Target have the HE logo on them.

Thanks Alex for the confirming an outdated photo. I stopped by Target just to snap these pics:

The 120 load is he for all machines. They had no shortage of powder either!

THanks for confirming...last summer I opened a 120 load box of Cheer, regular, from Ollies...there was no scent at all so I called P&G to inform them and also to question if it would be any good since it lost its scent...the box was not damaged in any way so I figured it would still work fine, but p&g confirmed that extreme temperature changes to powder detergent...think uncontrolled temperature warehouses can cause powder detergent to lose its scent, but it will work fine. They told me to keep and use mine and that they would send me a coupon for two 80 load boxes as the 120 loads of Cheer were discontinued. Thats my story on p&g telling me a fib....but ended up in my favour, they sent me four free coupons for 80 loads. LOL.

P&G really does have fantastic customer service unlike some companies...

Greeny, it all depends on who answers the phone. A few months ago I called about Cascade powder, I was interested in a powder Cascade formula with chlorine like in the past...the girl I spoke with kept telling me to buy the one with Clorox on the front, I kept explaining that although the name Clorox is on it it does not contain chlorine bleach, I told her Clorox makes chlorine bleach but the name Clorox is a brand...she couldn't get it and just insisted Clorox means chlorine bleach. ..so it depends on who answers the phone...ohhh and when I ask this lady to read the msds..she did and the last ingredient she named..CLOROX....LOL.

littlegreeney I am so jealous of your powder detergent selection! I'm in Edmonton AB Canada and I'm lucky to find one type each of Tide and Sunlight powder.

Tara for some reason a Big Lots store here had huge boxes of powder Sunlight...course I bought one. I have to say its a good detergent and if phosphates are added to it...its outstanding. There are others here that also bought it, but I don't think it got a lot of love, maybe because of the very light lemony scent, I don't know but its a good detergent.

Tara, that Target has a larger selection of powders than others in my area.

I've only seen Sunlight pacs here, no powder or liquid.

Sunlight is Canadian so I can get powder, pacs and liquid detergent, dish soap and dishwasher pacs and detergent. I have never been impressed with the dish products, but might need to give the powder another try. Last time I used it I had softer water and a FLer and it was quite sudsy, but now with hard water and a TLer I may have better luck. Not a fan of the lemon scent but I could do an extra rinse and add a scented softener.

So many people on here are loving phosphates, has anyone else in Canada found a good source with reasonable shipping? I'd love to play around with it for laundry and dishes.

Larsi..did you hear that? Not a fan of the LEMON scent...LOL...I love lemon..so clean and fresh.

As for Sunlights sudsing..I don't have that problem..it won't suds for me.

Have you checked the chemistry store or pro supply for the stpp?

I found Sunlight powder to be surprisingly low sudsing, and our water is VERY soft (0-2 grains). The lemon scent is AMAZING, but sadly does not last!

I will check them out Mama, thank you!

I wish I could get the lemon love but for me clean laundry smell Is herbal and fresh.

For those of you that love lemon, the Purex with Clorox in the original fresh flavor has a nice lemony scent.

I don't post very often but I have to stick in my 2 cents worth. I have a Samsung front loader and one time when we had to have a local repair service fix our fridge, I asked the man about front loaders. He said--remember Samsungs use only a couple quarts of water to wash a load. You can't put in near as much detergent as a 40 gallon top loader. Since then we have used only about a couple of tablespoons of Tide He powder per load and it works fine. If something is greasy I use more but still less than the bottom line on the Tide dispenser cup. I believe the sudsing problem in some cases may come from more detergent than the washer pump can handle. It can only pump water not suds.

That is a possiable issue with some people, but certainly not with the members here.