Hi Camps, Judging from the pics I've seen and from the intensity of the answers of people who should know, I think that one should really think long and hard before investing on this rose in my climate. I will (think long and hard). Climate as you know can make all the difference. Having said this, please please do not hesitate to chime in in any of my future question posts, all of them will have to refer to my med conditions, since not only do I value your opinion, knowledge and independent spirit (to put it mildly..) but I also love your sense of humour. Cheers, Nik This post was edited by nikthegreek on Fri, Jan 24, 14 at 10:41

Thank you all for such thought-provoking comments. They are really helping me work through this undertaking! Sandy, all of your info is appreciated, and I especially liked your comments, "Your land will actually speak to you" and "The right plant will present itself to you when you're at a nursery sometime." I know these are true, and I need to not be in such a hurry! Your spacing and color info is very helpful, but I have a couple more questions (for greenhaven, also). I've seen lots of pictures of perennials mixed in with roses, or a clematis twining through a rose bush. Doesn't this make it harder to care for and prune the roses, and doesn't it limit the air circulation? I have 3 Carefree Wonders that look gorgeous by themselves. Can I plant them closer together since they are the same rose? I have 3 Quietness (very lovely pale pink) and 3 Winnipeg Parks (a pretty red that looks beautiful with the Quietness). I have other contrasting and/or blending of 3 or 4 single bushes that look good together IMO. Is it possible to have multiple focal point groups, separated by low evergreens or green perennials in the space I have and have it look good? I really like informal gardens more than formal, especially with our setting. I've seen lots of pictures of parts of gardens with roses, or formal rose gardens, but I've not seen any plans showing predominantly rose gardens, interplanted with other perennials. Any ideas where I could look at such plans for roses? greenhaven, DH nixed the manure, so I'll put peat in the planting hole in the 12" of top soil. Thanks for the specific info! sunnyrose, thanks for the heads up on the Roundup. I'll check into it further. alisande, thanks for the pic of the large spruce. This, with greenhavens warning, motivates me to go back out and more carefully look where the sun will fall when our spruce is mature. We got our estimate for building a wall today, so we've decided to bite the bullet and do it. One more thing, any opinions on whether I should have structures for my climbing roses mentioned earlier? Or do you think I'll be ok trying them as very large shrubs in the more open background? Anne

there is a plant propogation book i have wherein the author describes his own mist system. that author has a large black coil of hose in the roof of his greenhouse so that water can be heated before reaching the mist nozzles. that's at least one vote for using warm water and keeping the cuttings reasonably warm as they root. just thought i would toss that in! lol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mosaic z8 LA (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 11:59 With such a setup you could probably root roses under mist all winter here in Louisiana. And then as an added bonus, you could save on your power bills all summer by using it to steam your veggies :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: tammyinwv z6/WV (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 16:05 i have been unable to find the mist heads even within an hr from my home.Someone mentioned here they found them for .50 each.would anyone be willing to get me a couple and mail them? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: wild_garden virginia z6b (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 16:32 at my lowes store the mist heads where in the indoor gardening area next to the register, i doubt the people at lowes would have even know what to look for. it was with the drip irrigation supplies, as i said in the indoor gardening area next to the big outdoor area where they sell trees and things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mist heads supply source Posted by: RoseHawke 7b AL (My Page) on Mon, May 12, 03 at 10:37 For you folks that haven't been able to find the heads locally, try going to this site: Dripworks or here's a direct link to one of the pages with some heads:Misters . I just a couple of weeks ago ordered some irrigation supplies from them and received them quite quickly. About 4 days if I remember correctly. Haven't had a chance to put it together yet, which is probably just as well as the flood we had last week would've probably washed everything down the creek ;-). I also have the Melnor timer, and it does seem a bit confusing about its ability to do a mist cycle, but what you're doing is programing it to do one cycle (on in the am; off in the pm) and punching in a choice of watering pattern, in this case the off for 10" on for 2" pattern. I believe the idea behind the pattern was/is actually to help prevent water run-off when doing overhead watering by allowing the water to soak in between the on phases. I bought this particular timer though because when I looked at it my mind said "Ah! Mist!" (heh), even though the reason I bought it at the time was to keep a new patch of zoysia sod watered until it rooted in. My batteries did last all season last year, but it was only opening that valve 4x a day for 3 weeks, and then 1x every 4 days for a couple of months. I can see where a misting pattern of opening and closing that valve many times during the day may eat batteries, but as ShamanSherpa pointed out, it's still cheaper than a $100+ misting timer! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: patclem z7 (or 6) TN (My Page) on Fri, May 23, 03 at 8:32 Regardless of how much water it wastes, etc, I decided to experiment with misting. I am TERRIBLE at rooting cuttings. I've tried baggies. I've tried jars. I've tried special cutting trays with plastic domes. I've had one rooted cutting out of probably 50. I had the same problem finding true super-fine mist systems in the south. None at Lowe's, none at HD. They're not popular here because they don't have the same evaporating effect they have in less humid areas of the country - they make you wet here. Here's where I found mist heads. They didn't charge me anything for shipping. They were super-good to deal with online. Web Page - Phone/Fax 888-693-0578 Local/Fax (719) 495-2266 Qty: 4; Sku: 6W401; Product: Monarch Misting Nozzles M-1; Amount: $7.40 Qty: 4; Sku: 6W519; Product: Reducing Tee for Monarch Misting Nozzles; Amount: $4.40 You have to go to Lowe's or local hardware store and get a hose adapter, timers, 1/2" PVC, PVC caps, etc. I have mine set up with 2 mist heads, and about a 6' diameter section of my grass is soaked! I don't have mine on a timer yet. Results? I don't have any yet, except none of my cuttings have turned black yet. PS - I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH THIS BUSINESS IN ANY WAY! Here is a link that might be useful: Mist Heads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: fuselighter 7/WA (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 03 at 21:41 I am so excited about the misting bed. I went out and bought all the supplies today. Total cost was about $15 (my husband had PVC and elbows left over from installing the sprinkler system). I would like to go to an intermittent system eventually, but for now I am going with continuous. The water bill is not an issue because we have an irrigation system (there is an annual fee but it is not based on usage). I set the whole thing up in about an hour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: debbinard Z4CO (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 10:54 Shamansherpa -- I could not open your picture! I live in Colorado, it gets very warm middle of June (up to upper 90's) and stays low humidity. We are on outsidewater restrictions 2xweek, so I'm not sure this method would fly. Am wondering how visible this is, or if inside is an option under lights. At any rate, I would like to propigate some rose cuttings now (is this a good time?) My daughter in law is moving and would love some plants from a rose with sentimental value. Is the rooting hormone used just the usual or special for roses? Thanks Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mytrid Zone8b Florida (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 13:48 Deb, Maybe you could call your water extention office and see if you can get special permission, exsplain to them how little water it uses. Yes you use rooting hormone, there are many available. Dip and grow I here is supposed to be really good. I got some of the more exspensive stuff from a friend whom bought it threw rose imporium on line. But you can always use something like dip and grow. Deanna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: rose_enthusiast z7 TX. (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 15:47 Hi there Deanna! It seems to me you've managed to help a lot of people with your invaluable info. And I would like to thank you for inspiring me to start a misting bed to root my cuttings. I have one question to add to the many others you've been getting though... What rose company is it that you get your rooting hormone from? Is it Rose Emporium or the Antique Rose Emporium? I would like to purchase this product as well, since you and this company are using this to successfully root your cuttings. Thanks Again, Carlos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mytrid Zone8b Florida (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 03 at 1:31 Carlos, Thank you but we should all thank AngieAnders, she is the one who did all the research and work to discover this method and then post it here for us last year! She truly diserves all the credit. I just wanted to keep any new people aware that have just started rooting this year. Best of luck all and don't forget to post your sucess! Deanna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: epiphany z5b PA (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 03 at 9:28 I found the Arizona Mist system which is by Orbit as mentioned at Wal-Mart. It has 12' of tubing, end cap, six misting heads and hose adapter for $14.95. Of course, it is once again cold and wet here,......all of a balmy 56°. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: auntnana 6 TN (My Page) on Thu, Jun 5, 03 at 13:06 I ordered the misting heads mentioned above from Dripworks last year and they don't put out a fine mist as much as they do a fine spray/droplets. And even though I had a pressure regulator on there, I kept having a problem with the heads blowing off! (Their drippers work perfectly by the way so it's nothing against the company) I ordered foggers from Misty Mate this year and they put out a super fine fog. Perfect for propagation. They are a litte more expensive than the ones from Dripworks but worth it. And if you ask they will ship the misting heads for $1.50. I went to HD and bought a 10-24 tap and drill set (3.00) and drilled holes in my 1/2" cvpvc and the heads just screwed right in! I bought a Melnor timer at HD for $39 and it has 1 minute spray options so I've got it set for 1 minute every 10 minutes. Can't remember the model number but it's not the one on the HD website. I hope to finish my new propagation box soon. I built one on a stand this year so I can move it around easily. Wouldn't you know, HD has plastic sheeting made just for greenhouses that I used! It's not the real thick heavy stuff either. It's only 4mil and is crystal clear see-thru! Hopefully I'll be finished this week!

Here are the classes: Class 1. SMALL GARDEN TROPHY One (1) specimen Hybrid Tea or Grandiflora, exhibition form. A small garden has 25 or fewer rose bushes. Greater Palm Beach Rose Society, donor. Class 2. MODERN SHRUB SPRAY TROPHY In memory of George Barbuty. One (1) spray of two or more blooms. Stem- on-stem allowed. Susan Barbuty, donor. Class 3. FULLY-OPEN HYBRID TEA COLLECTION TROPHY Three (3) fully-open Hybrid Teas in one container, stamens showing, same or different varieties. Greater Palm Beach Rose Society, donor. Class 4. THE SCOTT CHAIT FRAGRANCE TROPHY In the spirit of Scott Chait. Most fragrant Hybrid Tea to be judged by the public. Greater Palm Beach Rose Society, donor. Class 5. THE GPBRS FRAGRANCE TROPHY Most fragrant rose, any class or variety EXCEPT Hybrid Tea, to be judged by the public. Greater Palm Beach Rose Society, donor. Greater Palm Beach Rose Society, donor. CHALLENGE CLASSES CLASS 6. CYCLE OF BLOOM Three (3) specimens, Hybrid Teas or Grandifloras of the same variety in three stages of opening: One bud with sepals down, one bloom at exhibition stage and one bloom fully open, in separate vases. Entry may be placed on show table by the exhibitor with the assistance of the placement committee. CLASS 7. REFLECTIONS One (1) specimen, Hybrid Tea, Grandiflora, or Floribunda and one matching Miniature or Miniflora, each at exhibition stage, in separate vases. Entry may be placed on show table by the exhibitor with the assistance of the placement committee. CLASS 8. FLOATING ROSE* One (1) specimen, Hybrid Tea or Grandiflora at exhibition stage, without stem or foliage, floating in an open bowl, no petals below waterline. Entry may be placed on show table by the exhibitor with the assistance of the placement committee. Only one entry per exhibitor allowed. ARS Certificate. *Rose bowls are limited in quantity, consequently, they are furnished on a first come, first served basis. SPECIMEN CLASSES HYBRID TEAS & GRANDIFLORAS AND THEIR CLIMBING SPORTS CLASS 9. One-Bloom-Per-Stem Hybrid Teas and Grandifloras One (1) stem, exhibition stage, no side buds. Entries in this class will be staged alphabetically by variety name. Eligible for Queen, King, Princess and Court of Honor. Exhibitors may submit as many entries as desired, but no duplicates. ARS Certificates: Gold, Silver and Bronze CLASS 10. Fully-open Bloom, Hybrid Tea or Grandiflora One (1) specimen, one-bloom-per-stem Hybrid Tea or Grandiflora, with stamens visible. Single types are excluded. ARS Certificate. FLORIBUNDAS & POLYANTHAS CLASS 11. Floribunda Spray One (1) spray of two or more blooms as naturally grown. Eligible for Prince of Show. ARS Certificate. CLASS 12. One-Bloom-Per-Stem Floribunda One (1) stem, one bloom, no side buds or disbudded, shown at its perfect phase of beauty. ARS Certificate. CLASS 13. Polyantha Spray One (1) spray or cluster. Removal of spent blooms permitted. ARS Certificate. CLIMBERS & HYBRID WICHURANAS (Climbing Sports of Hybrid Teas or Grandifloras are not permitted in this section) CLASS 14. One (1) specimen, may be exhibited either disbudded or as a spray of two or more blooms. ARS Certificate. SHRUBS Show as naturally grown or disbudded; stem-on-stem allowed. If naturally grown, they may be shown one bloom and immature side buds. CLASS 15. Classic Shrub One (1) specimen of spray or bloom listed in “ARS Handbook for Selecting Roses” or “Modern Roses XI or XII” (classified HK or, HMoy, HMsk, HRg). ARS Classic Shrub Certificate. CLASS 16. Modern Shrub One (1) specimen of spray or bloom listed in the “ARS Handbook for Selecting Roses” or “Modern Roses XI or XII” (classified S). ARS Modern Shrub Certificate. CLASS 17. Modern Shrub Collection Three (3) one-bloom-per-stem specimens in one container, same or different varities, listed in the “ARS Handbook for Selecting Roses” or “Modern Roses XI or XII” (classified S). OLD GARDEN ROSES Show as naturally grown; stem-on-stem allowed. They may be shown one bloom and immature side buds. Indicate class number on entry tags. CLASS 18. The ARS Dowager Queen One (1) specimen of an Old Garden Rose introduced prior to 1867. Indicate year introduced on upper left corner of entry tag. ARS Certificate CLASS 19. The ARS Victorian One (1) specimen of an Old Garden Rose introduced in 1867 or later. Indicate year introduced on upper left corner of entry tag. ARS Certificate CLASS 20. Floating OGR* One (1) Old Garden Rose without stem or foliage, floating in an open bowl, no petals below waterline. One entry per exhibitor. CLASS 21. Old Garden Rose Bouquet Five (5), but not more than ten (10) varieties of Old Garden Rose and /or Shrub rose stems in a basket or vase provided by the exhibitor, with one entry tag. Oasis may be used. List varieties on the reverse of the entry tag. *Rose bowls are limited in quantity, consequently, they are furnished on a first come, first served basis. NOVICE This section is open only to those exhibitors who have never won a blue ribbon in a rose show. ARS Certificate. (Novices may also compete in other sections of the schedule). CLASS 22. One-Bloom-Per-Stem Hybrid Tea or Grandiflora One (1) stem, disbudded, at exhibition stage. Eligible for Queen, King, Princess and Court of Honor CLASS 23. Floribunda Spray One (l) spray of two or more blooms as naturally grown or disbudded. Eligible for Prince of Show. Theres a mini and miniflora category, but I don’t grow either type so I didn’t include it here. :)