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Sourdough beet bread, finally!
Comments (11)Thanks everyone! Terri, the giant Macaroon was the part I like... so pretty! And yes, I used an electric slicer to make sandwiches slices. Can't live without it! :-) Annie, I know what you mean! I would love to dig in when it's still warm and so did hubby! LOL The one thing I like about sourdough bread is that the flavor intensifies a couple of days later. I am eating a slice of my SD orange parmesan right now. It's been four days and the orange flavor is so intense this morning... Well, the recipe... don't really have one. I made the sponge the night before using one cup of WW starter, 2 cups WW flour, & 2 cups water. Next morning, save one cup of sponge for my next starter. Then I added into the rest of the sponge, 4 - 5 cups of flour, the pureed beets (boiled and peeled two of them, just a bit over a pound), 2 T sugar, 2 T oil, 1 tsp salt and a couple T VWG. Once the ingredients were well mixed, I added dried basil and kneaded until smooth. Didn't add fresh dills until I shaped the loaves for final proof. First rise 4 hours, then 2 more hours in the oven with a pan of hot water. Baked at 350F for 50 min; internal temperature was 198F. Trudy, I have heard of golden beets too but have never seen one. We grow the ones that everyone sells in the grocery store. They are easy to grow except you have to keep piling dirt over the roots or they wouldn't grow big. Hubby is the one who's into beets. I don't eat beets often. And yes, I hear roasted beets taste much better than boiled or steamed. Got to try it this summer. When I buy some I usually pickle them. Little man is too afraid of the color and he won't touch it. LOL Al...See MoreSourdough Bread
Comments (67)hm....to tell the truth I have never checked the temp of my starter or my oven with/without the light or my bread dough or the starter as I was getting it going ! My house is 68 all winter and then in the Summer we keep the thermostat on 78. Whatever time of year it is all seems to do just fine. I have never made an exception for my bread dough other than to place it in the oven with the door propped open with an oven mitt. That is how it is today with the dough I am currently making. It has to rest at "room " temp for 3 hrs...with stretch and folds every 30 min for the first 2 hrs and then leave it alone for one hour. Then shape and let rise one hour at room temp then retard overnight and bake direct from fridge in 500 degree pre-heated pots tomorrow. I just checked my oven temp with the light on and it is 73. That is where I do my apple yeast water and my starter after I feed it and that is where my first and only , current , stater got going. One of the things they caution is not to over feed your starter...as in until it doubles don't feed again. I followed the method I linked 4 yrs ago and didn't have a problem. I know others on the Fresh Loaf have had to try about 3-4 times to get one going. I used rye flour from my local health food store and bottled water ( that is important when getting it started) and King Arthur white AP flour. It could be that is the problem with your first starter is over feeding. As to the second starter I wouldn't worry at all about "bad" stuff growing at this point. The tiny bubbles and concept of "bad" are not a problem at this point. Simply carry on and move it to a slightly cooler place and feed/discard and definitely stir well and give it air via a loose cover. It should be fine. As to the other one after 6 days if it has bubbles and has a fine odor I sure wouldn't discard it either. I would take out half and feed it and leave it where it is about 75 for 24 hrs and see what is what. As to apple yeast water just chop up 100g of apple and put it in the quart jar with 2/3 full filtered water...it does love the 80's so use your oven with light. Stir very well every couple hours all during the day for 3 days - 4 days. It is ready to rise bread. The apples will always float and the water will be VERY fizzy ! You can hear it ! It does need a lot of attn and warmth the first 3-4 days and then it is completely care free and can be in the fridge for weeks at a time and not used. Once you get your other starter going....and I do urge you to go to TFL and read some of the discussions on getting a starter going...I will tell you how to store it when not in use for lengths of time...when I am gone on a bicycle tour I leave mine unattended in the fridge for months. Keep us posted. c http://www.thefreshloaf.com/search/node/debra%20wink%20starting%20a%20sour%20dough%20starter read the first two articles by Debra Wink...linked above and then the link below...you will know more than I do when done :) Debra's way always works !! c Here is a link that might be useful: TFL...link to a lot of discussions...See MoreSourdough bread help!!!
Comments (20)Finally, I have pictures! HereÂs the dough after adding yeast. Here it is about 2 hours later. So I punched it down. And formed 3 loaves. Two hours laterÂÂ.. By now itÂs 8:30pm, IÂve built fence all day, taken care of the garden and this is just going to have to do!! Baked Âem. And the results were just OK! Flavor is good, crumb is good, should have baked just a few more minutes. EverythingÂs better with butter!!! On a related note. I decided to keep feeding my starter to get it lively again and itÂs failed. I think I killed it. Probably neglected for far too long. Think IÂll take a break from sourdough for awhileÂÂÂ Luckily, I dried and froze some when it was healthy so can reactivate that later! Thanks again to all who helped "Save the Bread". Deanna...See MoreSourdough Bread
Comments (4)1. Personally, I wouldn't use a freshly-made starter, I would feed the starter a couple more times to make sure I had a good colony of natural yeast growing in the starter. If your starter won't double in bulk when you feed it, it's not going to raise your bread dough. 2. You don't say whether your recipe uses starter only as the leavening agent, or both starter and baker's yeast. In recipes where the bread is raised with starter, I only use my Zo for mixing the sourdough bread dough - I don't allow it to raise in the machine. As soon as it's done mixing/kneading, I remove it from the bread machine and put it in a dough-rising bucket so I can monitor the rise. It takes sourdough a lot longer to rise than it does baker's yeast risen dough. Even on the sourdough cycle on the Zo, it may not be right amount of time. Then I bake the bread in the oven. If the recipe uses starter as a flavoring agent, and also uses a normal amount of yeast, then it should work to mix and bake in the Zo - as long as the amount of ingredients is correct for a loaf of bread. 3. Both fat and sugar have important jobs in breads. You don't say if you are making a lean dough or an enriched dough, and that would be helpful information, but I'm going to assume it's an enriched dough because it includes fat and sugar. There typically is only a small amount of each (with exceptions - such as a Portuguese Sweet Bread or brioche). The fat helps tenderize the crumb and keeps it from drying out as quickly as a lean dough. Depending on the type of bread you are making and the mixing method used, fat plays a vital part. If you want to skip the fat, don't use butter on your sliced bread after it's baked. If you want to skip sugar, don't use jelly or honey as a topping. If you are watching carbs - sugars - then don't forget the flour is jam-packed with them - as is applesauce. If you don't want sugar or fat in your loaves, choose lean bread recipes (Italian and French Breads) and skip the enriched breads (those that include sugar, fat, dairy, eggs - such as sandwich bread). 4. Splenda would NOT be a good substitute for sugar in a yeast bread. Bread isn't a good place for a no-calorie substitute. Sugar (honey, syrup) in a recipe provides food for yeast, flavor, tenderizes the crumb, keeps the crumb moist, makes the crust darker. You can't get those same results using a no-calorie sugar substitute. If you take some time and do a Google search on - care and feeding of sourdough starter - that will give you a lot of information about making and using starters. You will quickly find it's not one thing, there are rules and broken rules for it's use, it's a contradiction and as individual as the people who use it. Good luck with your sourdough bread. I hope you have good success and many more loaves to come... -Grainlady...See More- 10 years agolast modified: 10 years ago
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