2 New Soil Tests - comparing soil for green grass vs. yellow grass
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Growing grass in clay soil
Comments (13)Gotta warn you that I'm just a little frustrated here. HofmyH, did you read all the replies above? Did you read the one from John_in_SC about almost nobody has clay soil? It's always best, especially when you are tagging onto a defunct thread, to read the contents of the thread before posting. You need to be sure the previous suggestions either don't apply or you have followed them. Please do a jar test (search this forum or the Internet). The jar test will demonstrate that you do not have much clay or it will make me look foolish. I don't mind looking foolish, and I'd rather do that and get it out of the way than operate out of misinformation. The problem is there are some salts in your soil which can make it look, feel, and act just like clay, when in fact it is 90% sand. On to your question. DO NOT PLANT RYE NOW AND FESCUE IN THE SPRING. Okay that should take out the last of my frustrations. NOW is the time to plant fescue. Today. Planting now will give the fescue plants all winter to harden off and develop a root system that can withstand next summer's heat. If you plant rye now, it will not die off until May at which time it is far too late to plant fescue. You would have 100% crabgrass by the first of August. Since you are planting in a sunny area, you might want to mix some Kentucky bluegrass, or go 100% with KBG. It is your choice, but I thought I'd put that out there. If you think your soil is clay, you probably think that because it is so hard. The reason it is hard is you have lost the population of beneficial fungi that cause soil (even clay) to soften. The fastest way to get that softness back also happens to be the cheapest and easiest. All you have to do is spray with any clear shampoo at a rate of at least 3 ounces per 1,000 square feet. Do that and then irrigate with 1 full inch of water. Repeat in 2 weeks and you should be good for a full year. What that does is allows water to penetrate deep into the soil and hold the moisture content fairly steady. The beneficial fungi love those conditions and will regrow very quickly. Picture a loaf of molding bread. If you leave it under ideal conditions for even one day, the entire loaf is engulfed in green fuzz. That same thing happens in your soil....See MoreGrass still yellow vs. Neighbors?
Comments (5)Even in my own yard, with the same grass, I noticed that some spots came back faster/earlier than others. The 2 components that I seem to consider different in those areas are: one area gets more water consistently, as it is near the water hose, and the other area gets more coverage of sun throughout the day. It practically gets sun from about 10am - 6pm. These are just 3x3 or maybe 4x4 patches of the same grass that the rest of the lawn is made up of....See MoreGrass getting yellow in some largish areas. Soil is hard there...
Comments (4)The best way to gauge if your lawn is not receiving enough water is to probe the soil to see how moist or dry it is (Which you have done). Soil probes usually either take a sample out of the ground or use electronic sensors to test the moisture. If you're not interested in buying one of these instruments, you can simply take a narrow screw driver or stiff wire and push it into ground in several places. If you are able to penetrate to the suggested root depth easily (usually 6-8 inches), then your soil is properly saturated. If not, then your watering is not reaching the desired depth and you may need to water for longer periods of time. You may want to perform a sprinkler test if you find that you're not getting enough water in the soil but do not know how much your sprinkler produces in a given time. A sprinkler test can be carried out by simply placing equal sized old coffee cans or tuna fish cans around the area that you run your sprinkler and let it run for 20 minutes. Once completed, take a measurement of the water that has accumulated in each container. This will show you two things: One, if you are getting an equal distribution of water in the area. If not, make the necessary adjustments to your sprinkler or sprinkler heads and test again. Two, it will tell you how much water is sprayed in twenty minutes. For example, if you have accumulated 1 inch of water (which is the ultimate goal) in your container, then you are spraying 3 inches (20 minutes X 3 = 60 minutes) of water per hour. The desired water amount can depend on the soil and its ability to absorb. As a rule of thumb, to reach the desired root depth (usually 6-8 inches) it generally can take sandy soils 1 hour per inch of water, clay soils 4-5 hours per inch of water, and Loam Soils up to 2 hours per one inch of water. However, this is only a general guide and it will vary for each lawn. In many cases, to reach the desired depths, clay soils will take 1 1/2 inches of water, loam soils can take 1 inch of water, and sand soils can take 1/2 an inch of water. So, depending on your soil type, make your adjustments accordingly. The ideal situation is to have your lawn develop a deep, healthy root system (usually 6-8 inches deep) by watering just enough (especially during the summer months) to keep your lawn nice and green. If you're unclear as to how much water is needed for your grass, your soil, or what the best time to water is. As a general rule of thumb, you want to water longer and less often, lots of sunlight, high winds, dry air, and drought. Alternately you may want to water less in times of cooler temperatures, lots of clouds or shade, low winds, humidity, and high rainfall...See Moreclay soil want to plant grass
Comments (14)If you went crazy for the full 3" depth - about 18 yards... which is a good size dump truck full... An alternative (If you have a pick up truck) is to just bring in a couple loads of fine ground mulch or compost and spread it on top of the soil as budget/time allows... just sling it evenly across the whole thing... The absolute minimum you really need enough to cover it with 1/4" -- but that's probably only 2 yards worth... It will go a long way towards getting it softened up and bringing life back... While you are at it -- get a soil analysis done by the UGA extension office... You will probably find that the reason nothing grows well is that your soil is Mineral Deficient -- not that it is solid clay.... The next thing you can do at home is that is a soil structure test (The test with your dirt in a mayonnaise jar full of water...) You will find that a *Little* clay goes a really long way towards making what everybody calls "Georgia Red Clay" soils... and that for the most part, the USDA actually considers our soils to be "Loam" and "Sandy loam" and "Sandy clay loam" -- which are mostly a mixture of Sand + Silt + a little clay... NOT mostly clay with a little sand and silt as you would guess by looking at how it packs up your shoes... The good news about this is that our soils can be very fertile if we can get the Organic Material and minerals back into them... The bad news is that they are Ancient and Heavily Eroded (Leached out)... and so they won't grow anything right if until we do... Thanks John...See Moreangela0205
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