Chicken unrefrigerated and then cooked: safe for dogs?
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Comments (27)Thanks all for your insight, thoughts and help. After a week on prednisone, she has only had a marginal improvement. Not enough to even ask if increasing the dose would be beneficial. About 8 to 10 hours after I give her prednisone she will finally eat something, either steak or chicken, but that's all she will eat until the next dose (trust me, I've tried everything, well, except baby food. My dogs wouldn't go for the raw diet, I've found that out too). She only gets pred every other day, which is typical maintenance dosing. She perks up here and there but for the most part acts like a dog would when they are outside and it's 100 degrees in the shade (but she's inside and cheap me has turned the AC down to 78, just for her, but she still prefers the basement under the fan or outside under the truck in the dirt). She's not in pain, but she's not comfortable. I had hoped to buy her a little more time, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. I'm just thankful that this disease stayed hidden as long as it did. It's only been 2 and a half weeks since it was really obvious something was wrong because she wouldn't eat. The first 5 days or so, I was upset about something and when I'm upset, she usually doesn't eat. Even this past Saturday I had to go across the street and get her out of the creek, because she had wondered over there and didn't have the energy to come home, but at least she had the energy to get that far and the desire to do it. Human oncologists refer to this as "actively dying" when a patient quits eating, etc. I knew before she was even DX that was what was probably what was going on, although, of course, I had no idea why. I just wish the next step wasn't so damn hard. This is her, on the left, less than 2 months ago. At that time, if someone had told me we'd be facing this now, I'd have said they were a liar. She's nothing special to anyone but me and Paul and she's had a good life, even with an oaf of a Keeshond as a "brother". Laura...See MoreChicken stock/soup different recipes/processing times?
Comments (17)For anyone reading this in the future, I finally did contact Dr. Andress and there really isn't supposed to be any meat left on the carcass when you start, they rewrote the instructions for So Easy to Preserve but she says they might clarify a little more on the website that this is a STOCK not a soup, that's why I kept putting "stock" in quotes b/c to me a stock doesn't have meat. Here's her reply "Here is how we re-worded it for our University of Georgia So Easy to Preserve book, below, although it's not a lot more specific. And I might now choose to say "Place large carcass bones (with as much meat removed as you can)": Or the other option is to not allow picking of the carcass at all. The directions really only allow for adding back the bits still clinging to the bones after cooling, not the all the meat stripped from the bones. So that's how we tried to word the order of actions for our book. But we can consider rewording on the website from the USDA guidelines, also. Thank you for pointing this out. Chicken Stock (Broth) Hot pack-- Place large carcass bones (with most of meat removed) in a large stockpot. Add enough water to cover bones. Cover pot and simmer until meat can easily be stripped from bones, about 30 to 45 minutes. Remove bones. Cool broth; skim off and discard fat. Remove the bits of meat clinging to bones and add to broth, if desired. Reheat broth to boiling. Fill hot jars, leaving 1-inch headspace. Wipe jar rims. Adjust lids and process. CAUTION: Do not add additional meat to this product. Process in a Dial Gauge Pressure Canner......(etc.)" Since how much meat is left on the carcass can vary, I think it's best not to put any meat back into the broth for canning, though I suggest that straining to get any bits floating might not be necessary. I also wouldn't add anything left at the bottom of the stockpot to the jars (sometimes I get little bits of bone as well as meat at the bottom of the stock). I knew what stock meant to a chef, couldn't figure out why NCHFP website was saying to add meat back into the broth, this was from very old procedures and it turns out stock really means stock. Maybe this is clear to someone who's been canning for a long time, but I haven't had any training (beyond NCHFP course, reading, and what I've picked up on this forum) so when I read that you could have meat in the jars my first question was "how much" - answer turns out to be "really nothing". HTH...See MoreCan you really cook with "Egg Beaters"?
Comments (28)Was Fori's question answered satisfactorily, as I don't want to be contributing more to hijacking this thread? If this should be taken to another thread, say the word. Annie, your question is interesting, and I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if my son has outgrown the egg allergy, which we know beyond a doubt that he had (we don't do potato salad with hard boiled eggs or anything like that). But he still tests very positive and we don't want to find out the hard way, so we just do what we've been doing that we know he doesn't react to - use small amounts in baked goods, but no eggs otherwise - no merigue or any recipes with high concentration of eggs. A while back, I posted a question about the Cook's Illustrated version of mac & cheese, which calls for stirring in 2 eggs after the pasta has been cooked & drained. I was wondering if those eggs get sufficiently "cooked" - and the response seemed to be yes. That recipe contradicts what I have otherwise felt comfortable doing with eggs regarding my son's allergy, but we tried it & he hasn't had a reaction. Some of the concern is that eggs pose a potentially anaphalactic reaction, as with nuts & shellfish, which he is also allergic to, but can't have the littlest bit of those. I'm like you in that I have no food allergies. I eat & love just about anything (although oddly, the last few months, I have developed what seemed to be random hives, but may be linked to appearing a couple hours after I have ingested nuts - I hope it's not that). Guess people just have to do what they think is best for themselves and their family members & others need to respect it....See MoreCooking for two with NO leftovers
Comments (35)I have never had to go without power for more than a day, but I used to go camping by myself quite a bit and didn't want a lot of leftovers either as there is only so much room in a cooler. Pasta is great. You can cook exactly as much as you need and can put just about any protein and veggie in it. I believe that Classico offers some small jars of pasta sauces, both tomato based & creamy style. A white wine, garlic butter (or olive oil) sauce is easy...if you want to go easy on the fat, use only enough for flavor and then add a bit of chicken stock. Knorr makes a powdered bouillon that is better than the cubes, not as salty, and you can make exactly the amount you need to use. A very nice sauce can be made with some bouillon, a chopped fresh tomato, garlic, some fresh basil or other fresh herb,& some red pepper flakes or black pepper. I generally buy Parmesan in wedges and grate it, but the Kraft pre grated in the green can keeps fairly well without refrigeration. Top Ramen is a great base for a meal. Just adding any meats & veggies you like makes a wonderful lunch. If sodium is a problem, toss the dry soup packet and use canned low-sodium stock instead. The noodles can also be cooked, and then tossed with blanched or raw veggies, meat or seafood and a vinaigrette for a cold plate meal. I like it with an oriental type vinaigrette...rice vinegar, soy sauce, grated ginger, sugar, & a little sesame oil. If your grocery store has a deli, speak to the store manager and suggest that he could probably do a rousing business if he ordered things like the individual packets of mayo, coffee creamers(the kind that don't need to be refrigerated) and salad dressings and offered them for sale. Some random tips... If you use half an onion, don't wrap it. Let the air dry the cut side and then when you want to use it just discard the first, thin slice. (If flies are a problem, cover it with cloth, not plastic). You can do the same thing with cucumbers, tomatoes, apples, oranges. In warm weather, wrapping unrefrigerated veggies and fruits seems to "boil" them somehow, and they actually go bad faster. Fresh basil and other herbs last pretty well without refrigeration if you trim the cut end of the stems when you get them home and put them in a glass of water, just like cut flowers. A few snips of herbs can "freshen up" the flavors of canned foods. You can keep your butter in a small bowl, and then invert the bowl in a larger bowl of water. The water should be changed every day. Butter will stay fresh like this, unrefrigerated, for weeks. Eggs can be left unrefrigerated for at least a couple of days, so if you buy half a dozen, you don't have to eat all of them at once. I know this is all a pain, but it will be over soon and it will give you something to tell stories and laugh about years down the line. :D...See More- 10 years ago
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