Nik, you could search by class on HelpMeFind, then scroll down in that window to add "found" to the search. Sure, that'll give you a huge list, but doesn't that make shopping more fun?

:-P

~Christopher

Whoops, I take that back. Adding more criteria in the search is coded as "or" rather than "and".

Here's another thought -- a few well-known US nurseries carry "found" roses. Rose Petals Nursery and Antique Rose Emporium have "found" as a category for searching. You can search them by name on HelpMeFInd and see where they're available outside the US. Off the top of my head, I remember Bierkreek often coming up as a European source, as well as La Roseraie du Desert, for what you seek.

:-)

~Christopher

La Roseraie du Desert has listed, among others, "Arcadia Louisiana Tea", which I grow. It is wonderful, huge, and tough and has many, many flowers at this very moment. They also have "Second Street Tea", which may be the same as the "Graton Cemetery Pink Tea", Graton being a tiny town in Sonoma County, CA, near my home town of Santa Rosa. I haven't grown it yet, but I have it on order.

I believe you will find "Grandmother's Hat" in Europe, now (Bierkreek was active there). And, IIRC, "Secret Garden Musk Climber."

La Roseraie du Desert also offers a EUROPEAN Found Rose, "Marete Stenbok"

I sent all of those you shared cuttings of with me to Bierkreek, Jeri.

That's what I thought. I can't recall what else went. "Old Town Novato"? "Benny Lopez"?
I'd really love to see "George Washington Richardson" compared with "Marete Stenbok". It wouldn't get us any further on ID, but it would be interesting if they matched, don't you think?

Pulich Children, along with Grandmother's Hat, Larry Daniels, Tina Marie and your striped variant of GH. I don't remember of Richardson or Hildreth were large enough to be included in that box. But I collected everything I had at home, squirreled away in clients' gardens and from you and it all went to Bierkreek with the supplication that someone, PLEASE compare them to known types over there. (tapping fingers....)

..I had an order in with Bierkreek earlier that included 'De la Vina Mystery' but cancelled it for this season, buying locally instead.... I've recently checked their latest availability lists and it's still there, but the others they had 'Grandmother's Hat'...'Old Town Novato'. and 'Benny Lopez' have disappeared...

...however 16 Eichen in Germany still have these except 'Grandmother's Hat'...

...some regularly mentioned on this forum.... I think 16 Eichen have 'Pulich Children' I've seen that one some place... don't know about any of the others Kim listed there...

Oh my, that Marete is very attractive. I've been contemplating a Roseraie du Desert order, and I've coveted your George Washington Richardson a lot, Jeri. I'll get a couple if I order at all, a little frustrated that they don't seem to have Mrs B. R. Cant, a rose unavailable in the UK and one that multiple people have recc'd to me as a good trial tea rose for the UK. Currently trying to talk myself out of the unreasonable, unreasoning passion that my heart has been seized with for Marie Nabonnand. I will win, I haven't the space, and *channeling Highlander* there can be only ONE! And that one spot is occupied by SdLV.

fduk -- I hope you DO order them!!!! Now you have me excited!

I just happened to see that Benny Lopez is sold by 16-Eichen-Rosenschätze in Germany and by Polish rosaplant.pl Rosaplant roses are very cheap.

16-eichen and Rosaplant have business relationships with Bierkreek. At least something good has resulted from that expensive box of goodies I mailed!

Yes. And it just tickles me to know that some of these great things are making their way to the other side of the world.

I sort of wish I hadn't become aware of the existence of Rosaplant, because the exchange rate is ridiculous. Also, they have the De La Vina Mystery and a couple of gallicas unfamiliar to me - Alice Vena and Ombre Parfait. I love love love the gallicas on the supersaturated end of the spectrum and these look spectacular. *sigh* I have set myself a rule - no more roses till I've planted all of this autumns orders. But that really is spectacularly cheap.

My potential shortlist for Roseraie du Desert stands at 6 atm.

Merete Stenbrock

Fake Perle

Mrs Herbet Hawksworth

Triomphe de Guillot Fils

Ibrido de Castello

and Marie Nabonnand and/or 'Noella Nabonnard'

<SIGH> If only EYE could order them!

I think you would love "De la Vina Mystery."

Do you know its' story? It was found by a friend of ours, who spotted it growing out the top of an 8-ft-tall Eugenia hedge. I don't think it naturally grows nearly that tall, but it was reaching for the sun.

Santa Barbara, CA, suffered a devastating earthquake in ?1920? Many homes and businesses were destroyed, or terribly damaged, and much of the town's landscape changed after that.

Eugenias showed up here at about that time, and became "all the rage". I suspect that around that time, an existing row of roses was replaced by Eugenia ... but this one refused to die. It seems to be identical to a rose grown in a Portuguese colony in Northern California, locally called "The Portuguese Rose."

This Polish nursery even list three of Kim's roses.

Yes, I noticed Annie Laurie McDowell, an interesting rose but I doubt that it would be hardy enough for my climate. I don't need it myself but my daughter needs a not too tall climber for her new house. Annie seems to have all the qualities I want, not too thorny for the granddaughter to be around, scented and repeating. I have to be careful what I get for my daughter and not scare her away from roses. So far she's only grown vegetables. I suspect that I shall have to take care of whatever rose I get for her.

Neat! They went over there the same way...Priority Mail. The first shipment went over the July 4 weekend and made it from Encino, CA to The Netherlands in 72 hours! The next year's box, mailed the identical way, identical packaging, same post office, took 8 days. But, they said they were as fresh as if they'd just been cut. It's all in the way they're packed. You really have to SQUEEZE every drop of liquid from the paper. Cuttings and bud wood require humidity, "moist air", not liquid water. Liquid water causes them to rot quickly. "Humidity" maintains their freshness without mold. If you can squeeze any drops from the packing, it's too wet. It's fun seeing your seedlings travel places and please people you haven't made it to yet! Thanks, Nik!

I'm putting both 'Indian Love Call' and 'Yellow Sally' on my wish list.

..I did have a fancy for 'Quinceanera' which was another on my Bierkreek list, which I shelved...

...maybe next year...

Indian Love Call has the prettiest wood and hips. I have always loved how the cool temps combined with brilliant winter sun turn the surfaces the sun hits of both a deep purple while the surfaces not receiving direct sun remain deeper green. Those purple and green shades set off the large, brilliant orange hips to perfection. Later in winter, the purple fades to oranges, reds and yellows before the foliage all turns brown and falls, leaving the purple/green wood with sprays of orange hips. I don't have any photos of that, unfortunately, as they're all unscanned 35 mm slides, but this is an Indian Love Call "child".

Climbing Yellow Sweetheart can produce amazing basal growth. Thick, strong, tall shoots crowned with enormous flower heads. I had it in a five gallon can waiting for somewhere (which never arrived) to plant it. The thing grew through the drain holes and began pushing these types of shoots. It really reminded me of the type of sumptious flowering shoots the Noisette, Allister Stella Gray used to push for me. Having the excitement and fun of "rediscovering" a "lost" Ralph Moore rose with Jim Delahanty made it even more special. It's actually a cousin of Annie Laurie McDowell's.

Indian Love Call is a winner, and the hips are fantastic winter decoration.

I LOVE I have never found a single prickle on any of the plants of it I've propagated and grown, either. I'm testing it for root stock because its root system is MASSIVE.

It's tough as nails, and pretty drought-tolerant, too. Probably WOULD make good rootstock, though it'd be a shame to hide it.

So far, several of her offspring are proving quite good as stocks. They appear to have a thick cambium, making it easier to succeed in budding.

'Indian Love Call' is a once-bloomer, which means that I haven't yet seen my young plant in bloom, but it's certainly a tough and healthy (and thornless) rose here, and I'm hoping it will be mature enough to blossom in the spring. I love the look of those flowers in photos...

I haven't looked at its roots lately... yikes!- it probably needs a bigger pot.

Good luck,

Virginia