The Kenmore is made by Electrolux. It is their new full depth slide in design.

I'm not a fan of Sears service, so if you end up going that route I would prefer getting the Electrolux or Frigidaire Pro version over the Kenmore. They're all the same range.

Thank you hvtech 42. I will look at an Electrolux for comparison. I see there is not a lot of love towards Sears service on these board. Didn't realize that Sears does all their own servicing even on other manufacturers' products. I really like the new pro stove.

If you buy a non-Kenmore appliance from Sears, you do not have to use Sears for service, as long as you don't also buy the extended warranty.

With Kenmore you have to use Sears while in warranty.

To expand, all Sears appliance service is provided through A&E Factory Service, which is jointly owned by Sears Holdings and Whirlpool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Holdings

I mention this because A&E is also a warranty service contractor that handles many other brands. For example, it signed a deal with GE back in 2012 (I think) to provide some of that company's appliance warranty support. Unless one pays close attention when making a call for warranty service, one can wind up with A&E regardless of what brand was purchased and from whom it was purchased.

hvtech -- Have you seen a model number for the new Electrolux/Frigidiare full depth slide-ins yet? I was not aware that there was an analogue to the Kenmore that caught singinglizzie's eye. That newish Kenmore model seems to have a 5.1 cu. ft. oven while the ovens in the older Elux models have been more like 4.1 or 4.2 cut. ft. That's fine for some and not so fine for others. I've seen freestanding induction ranges from Elux/F'daire that have larger ovens but had not heard about the gas slide in. Good to know about the new models.

Singinglizzie --For budgeting, the upcoming Columbus Day weekend sales sometimes offer some of the best appliance pricing deals of the year. With that sale-a-thon coming up in a couple of weeks, I'd hold off on making purchases until I got a chance to check out those sales.

Yes, thank you for the tip on Columbus Day. That's what I was hoping - that appliances would go on sale that weekend. I just need to make-up my mind. Something I've been unable to do :-)

Any possibility that this new Kenmore pro could be made by whirlpool? I googled stoves with 5.1 oven capacity and what came up is the new Kenmore pro, whirlpool and Kitchen Aid?? I would definitely consider this Kenmore pro if it was a Kitchen aid!

Trust me, it's made by Frigidaire/Electrolux, not Whirlpool/Kitchenaid. Electrolux has a better reputation than Whirlpool for cooking anyway. One other difference besides the handles is that the Frigidaire uses "Smudge Proof" coated stainless. It really does work as advertised, but may not match other stainless as well as non-coated. If this isn't an issue, I would strongly advise buying the Frigidaire version instead of the Kenmore Pro, so that you do not have to deal with Sears service if something goes wrong in warranty.

If you don't believe me:

Kenmore Pro

Frigidaire

As for the GE Cafe ranges, I'm not really familiar with them, but they've been out for a while and there has been a lot written about them on this forum, both positive and negative. I would recommend doing a search to learn more. Of course these new Frigmore slide ins are so new there aren't really reviews yet, so you would be taking more of a chance if you went that route. However, their ranges and ovens have been excellent in the past, so I really don't anticipate there will be any trouble.

Ok, I am convinced its a Frigidaire! Thank you for posting the pictures, extremely helpful. I read some reviews on the Frigidaire, and maybe only the naysayers post reviews, but it is not encouraging. I will continue to research, but leaning again toward the GE café. Again, thanks.

I can only find one review on this range, and it's positive. It only came out this year so people haven't had a chance to review yet. If you look for GE Cafe reviews you will read horror stories as well. Google any product you like and you'll find plenty of haters.

Electrolux bought out the appliance division of GE, right? Are the appliances still carrying the GE brandname? I noticed that GE Monogram is now called "Monogram". Just curious.

Electrolux agreed to buy GE Appliances, but the deal hasn't gone through. They are running into regulatory issues. If it does go through in the end it will be a while. Right now GE appliances are still being sold and they're pushing ahead on their own as if nothing is happening. Coming out with new products, etc. The Monogram rebranding was mainly a marketing thing, they figured it would sound more high end if they took the GE out, since GE is better known for basic and mid grade appliances. It wasn't Electrolux's doing, though the acquisition down the road may have been one of GE's reasons for doing it.

hvtech--Very interesting, thanks!

BTW, for anyone interested, Sears is running a promotional this week on this new gas range for $2,000. So tempting!!

I am getting closer to move in date, and need to order appliances this week. Yikes! Still can't decide. The Frigidaire pro stove is a mere $1800 (sale ends tomorrow), which is now more tempting the Kenmore pro. The matching fridge, also looks nice at $2400. The GE café cabinet depth matching fridge that I have been considering @ $2750 (to match the cafe range @ $2250) has been discontinued and the new model offers a Kuerig, which we don't need at a much higher price range of $2950, probably because its new. Note: I declined builder appliances with the exception of a GE SS wall Hood, since that was the only way to get a wall hood due to the exterior venting requirements by our city. I have read reviews on both ge café gas ranges, and the Frigidaire and seems there is no love for either. I would appreciate some advice here. Thanks.

Where did you find the negative Frigidaire reviews? I could barely find any reviews at all, this model is brand new.

You are going to find negative reviews on all products. Their mere presence should not enough to deter you from buying. Rather, you need to be savvy enough to figure out how much weight to give them.

-Do the preferences of these reviewers line up with mine?

-Did these people have bad luck (which can happen with any product) or does this particular product actually have a widespread problem?

Thank you hvtech42. I got nervous on the Frigidaire pro line as one site says this line has a high rate of repairs, but this could be based on the prior model, including their refrigerators. There are pros- and cons- to all the gas ranges I have looked at, and I have now narrowed to the GE café single oven or the Frigidaire. I will also buy the matching fridge. Do you have an opinion here? Again, thanks.

I am almost 100% sure that site had the high repair rate for the Frigidaire Pro (was it Yale Appliance?) because of the french door fridges and the dishwashers. Also, none of their data could be applicable to this specific range yet because it's so new. Only consider reviews that are for your specific model of appliance.

Don't buy a fridge just because it matches your range. You should make the fridge decision completely separately.

hvtech42 - yes, it is the site you mention. Why do you suggest a buying a fridge independently of the range? I did like the Frgidaire fridge, but concerned about reliability.

Looked like the Yale Appliance blog has Frigidiare down with a pretty low service call rate, and that is strictly for the brand for every kind of appliances and not just stoves. YA specifically note that they are reporting service calls not defect rates, and that there can be a variety of reasons for a service call.

Consumer Reports does annual membership surveys and the results get reported by brand and specific kind of appliance. Their data is about serious defects and failures within the first five years of ownership. Lately, members have reported that GE and Frigidiare stoves have the lowest defect rates, around 9% for their gas stoves.

Different story on the fridges, though. Per current CR survey results, one in three Frigidiares fridges and one in two of the Electrolux branded fridges. CR is going back over five years and Elux had a big problem rate 4 and 5 years ago with refrigerator reliability. (Postings here from 2010 and 2011 reflect that as well.)

The Yale Blog says that, at the end of last year, 2014, Elux had overcome those problems and the current Frigidaire and Frigidaire Gallery lines are much better for reliablity --- first year service call rate of 9% for plain Frigidaire and 13% for the Frigidaire Gallery line. Yale says, "It’s a good value and breaks less than any other widely sold brand." A 2015 update indicates that Electrolux's "Frigidiare Pro" line --- different from plain Frigidaire and Frigidaire Gallery is still a problem High 1st year service call rate -- seems to be more than one in four for the company's french door style "Pro" fridges. So you might want to avoid the Friidaire Pro models.

hvtech42 - yes, it is the site you mention. Why do you suggest a buying a fridge independently of the range? I did like the Frgidaire fridge, but concerned about reliability.

LOL - you answered your own question!

JWVideo - Yale has always found Frigidaire to be one of their more reliable brands. However, in one of their more recent blog posts, they marked out Frigidaire Pro as having a significantly higher failure rate as the rest of the brand, and they suggested that it was because they sold lots of high end french door fridges in the Pro line compared to the others.

Yup, that's what I thought I was saying in my last paragraph when I suggested maybe avoiding that the "Pro" line of french door refrigerators. Except that the rate might or might not be be an actual "failure rate." Yale Appliance is reporting all service calls and not just those limited to defects and repairs. The actual failure rate might be somewhat lower as some calls result from user errors, failure to read the user guide, need to adjusting leveling, etc.

For anybody who might be wondering what we're talking about, here are the links:

http://blog.yaleappliance.com/bid/86332/The-Least-Serviced-Most-Reliable-Appliance-Brands-Reviews-Ratings

http://blog.yaleappliance.com/bid/86397/The-5-Most-Serviced-Least-Reliable-Appliance-Brands

The first is the Dec. 2014 post and the second is the Sept. 2015 update.

Sorry - for some reason I missed your last paragraph!

I would love to know the differences between this Kenmore Pro freestanding 30" and the Electrolux IQ freestanding.

pemfan, it looks like the two are similar in looks and weight. Same broiling (11500) btu's. The burner configuration is slightly different. The Electrolux offers 9500, 14200 18,000, 5000 and 10,000 center burner for a total of 56,700 . The Kenmore pro offers 7500, 12,000 x 2, 18,000 and 5000 - but not sure which is the center burner for a total of 54,500 btus, so strictly speaking the Electrolux is slightly more powerful, but 2 12,000 burners may be more useful on the KP, depending on how you cook. You can buy a KP with dual fuel for less, but I am looking at all Gas. I do like the finish on the KP. Maybe you can look at them online and let me know if you find any other significant differences.

I find the count of BTUs very confusing in the Kenmore description. That center oval can be used partially or fully. What is the center burner in total?

From the KP manual

The Turbo Boil burner (18k BTU) is the most powerful burner
for cooking in larger pots, for canning, for large amounts of
soup, or for boiling water, and it is located at the right front
of the cooktop.
• The Simmer burner (5k BTU) is best suited for simmering
delicate sauces, and so on, and it is located at the right
back of the cooktop.
• The Power burner (12k BTU) is recommended for bringing
large quantities of liquid to temperature and when
preparing larger quantities of food, and it is located at the
left front of the cooktop.
• One standard burner (7.5k BTU) may be used for most
surface cooking needs, being designed to fit most
cookware. It is located at the left back of the cooktop.
• The Simmer Oval burner is located in the center of the
cooktop and consists of a center burner (the 5k BTU Oval
Simmer burner) and an oval burner, consisting of two, 12k
burners. The center, Oval Simmer, burner can be set separately
from the overall Simmer Oval burner.

This is badly written bc it makes you think the center consists of 5+12+12 but does this actually mean the center is 5+12 = 17? If so, total of 59. If not, and center is 12, then 54.

I am looking at all gas too.

Gee, Pemfan, I just read the description, and it hard to say exactly what the center burner is. Let me check one of the websites and get back to you. I did respond in another post. For resale value, I'm not sure I would do a Kenmore. However, my Mom always had Kenmore appliances, so I have a soft spot for that brand. I just don't know if other think of Kenmore as high end.

Pemfan, I still can't tell which is center burner, but my best guess is that it is a 12k btu burner, comprised of 2 burners a 5k + 7 K = 12.

Kenmore usually configures differently and does a few extras, so it is different from the manufacturers model. Similar yet different.

Did you look at the Samsung Chef Collection Gas range. Maybe the BTUS are too high high for an OTC microwave? These seem similar to the Electrolux?

Samsung has a hideous large screen on front. That turned me off from the start!

I was able to see the Frig Pro in person. Decent! Storage drawer only. Elec IQ has warming drawer. Haven't seen that one yet.

According to appliance41`1.com, this range is manufactured by Frigidaire, as indicated by the 790 prefix in the model number. I saw the Kenmore Pro on the Sears website, went to see it at the store and was happy to find it from the actual manufacturer. I will be happy to avoid the expensive warranty and inconsistent service from Sears.

I actually bought the Kenmore Pro 72583 from Sears and had nothing but a positive experience on the service, sales, and installation. MSRP is high but there are regular sales and I paid roughly $2000.00 after special offers were factored in. I wonder if the Kenmore has more features though relative to the Frigidaire since I know Kenmores historically did have an enhanced feature set. The performance has been excellent and I'm pleased with the range thus far.

Edit: I did buy the additional service/maintenance and that cost extra but I understand not everyone would want to get the service agreement. For me it was a good value for my time in case of future issues.