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Some new sans

I ordered some new sans, a couple were out so I received subs and extras. Very cool plants.

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  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    The order was from Bob Smoley. Hopefully the silver and golden hahnii will last for me. I've had a golden hahnii before and killed it. The variegated masoniana was a sub, it has a giant rhizome, not sure what size pot to put it in. The metallica variegated was also a sub, it was one a was considering ordering. Very happy with my order.

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  • woodnative
    8 years ago

    Nice! Can I ask what you ordered that was sold out in which they subbed the masoniana? If that is not one you have it is a GREAT and beautiful plant. That is a thick rhizome there!!

  • woodnative
    8 years ago

    Silver hahni is much easier than gold hahni!

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  • Sans2014
    8 years ago

    very nice looking plants!

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  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    Woodnative, I don't already have the masoniana variegated and it was subbed for the twisted sister they were out of. The metallica variegated was a sub for jade dwarf marginated.

  • woodnative
    8 years ago

    Masoniana is a much more valuable (and beautiful IMHO) than twisted sister. Good sub!! I used to see twisted sister show up in the local home depots and other big box stores but I have not seen it for a while. Jade dwarf marginated is a beauty I don't think I have an extra right now but I will check.

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  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Your Green Fountain and Caniculata Dwarf in the first photo look pretty interesting. Would you mind posting another photo when you get them potted. Beautiful Masoniana. They all look great!

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  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    barbmock I put the caniliculata dwarf in a small pot. I'm going to plant the green fountain in one of the small hanging baskets I ordered for other plants I have.

  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    I like both of them, may have to make a wishlist for spring. That fountain plant looks like it is making runners.

  • Stush2049 Pitts. PA, zone 6
    8 years ago

    Akrrm,

    I have a Dwarf Jade Marinated I can send you a small starter rhizome come spring. I have it put away now for the winter. I have all the others but the first two bonus plants. Bob is nice like that. He seems to always throw in an extra plant or two. Shame my are not at the point of multiplying.

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  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    The canaliculata dwarf seems to be doing okay. Hopefully it will make it and multiply and I can send you some. The green fountain was 4 pieces that looks like the runners that my ballyi minnie give off. They were really shriveled and now the two that were shriveled the worse and had yellow tips are all yellow.

  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    Stush thank you for the offer of the HJM, I'll probably be out of room by Spring. Lol

    How do you take care of your Manolin? I think it is so beautiful, I love looking at mine. Everything I've read about it says it doomed to get rust. I really hope mine doesn't.

  • barbmock
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Akrrm, Do you have a picture of your Balli minnie? I bought a plant from a GW member two or three years ago. It was supposed to be balli minnie. I really think it is some other form of balli. It's the one on the right. It would be interesting to compare it to yours.

  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I got mine on ebay from a private person in 2008. It has not done really anything. The mother plant is the one in the back by the tag. It grew the plant in the front first, which has it's own offset. I have separated them from the main plant hoping they would do something. They were in tiny clay pots and I recently planted them in 6" hanging baskets.

    The offset in this hanging basket was put in it's own tiny clay pot a year ago and was already big. Since it has been in the new pot it has really plumped up. I don't know why there is such a size difference.

  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    Barbmock your plant is really beautiful. I wish mine were that full.

  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Thanks, I have been really happy with it, but the leaves are much longer than I expected. I haven't cut any pups yet, just watching to see what it can do. Those stickers at the ends are sharp. I think yours is more like what I was expecting, with the tiny leaves. Yours may take off and fill out.

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  • Stush2049 Pitts. PA, zone 6
    8 years ago

    Akrrm,

    I don't do anything for my Manolin. I totally forgot about it this year. My grandkids brought it up from the cellar green house and placed it in my back yard in a shady spot where it sat in water all summer. I pulled the weeds out and away from it and drained it and placed it back in the cellar for winter again. I was surprised how well it grew. I guess 'rust' has to be some where near it to catch it. A sicken plant is always more likely to catch problems than a healthy one.

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  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    Barbmock, I was watering the ballyi minnie and saw an offset on my larger ballyi minnie. I am anxious to see how large it will be.

  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Ajrmm,

    i think the bally's are so interesting. I like the way the new offsets form in a cascade. Very graceful to my eye. But watch out for that sharp point!

  • Russ1023 (central Fla)
    8 years ago

    Great sans you have there, ajrmm! A 'newer' sans called Siam Silver that looks exactly like Manolyn was initially touted to be free of the rust, but I have both and Siam Silver gets rust just like Manolyn. Both can be rust-free as well, personally I think they're the same plant with different names. I've thought that the rust comes from too much humidity, which is heavy most of the year here in central Fla. Could be wrong about that though. Bantel's Sensation also gets the rust on white areas of the leaves.

    Regarding canaliculata dwarf, Juan Chahinian has said that the 'dwarf' name is a misnomer in that they seem to be in an 'on hold' state but have the potential at any time to grow to normal canaliculata size.

    Barbmock, that well-grown pot of sans definitely isn't ballyi Minnie, but an interesting sans nontheless. I'd be interested in a trade for that sans next year if you're interested.

    Russ

  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Thank you Russ, I wiil count on a trade next spring. I have some nice offsets with roots. I know you have an extensive collection and would love something from you.

  • Russ1023 (central Fla)
    8 years ago

    Sounds great, thanks barbmock!! Let me know if you would like my sans list. Also have lists on philodendrons, aglaonemas, dieffs and hoyas if you happen to like those. Beautiful spoon-leaf sans in your photo, do you know which one it is?? Well grown!

    akrrm, don't feel like the Lone Stranger in having trouble with Golden Hahnii, it's one of the more difficult sans to grow. I don't know how many I've lost to rot but it's quite a few. I'm always looking for trades, let me know if interested.

    I'm not sure that's a valid name on Smoley's 'Green Fountain'. Chahinian renamed 'Midnight Star' to 'Midnight Fountain', which looks like a tall ballyi on steroids. Very dark green, smooth leaves. He may have sent you a bunch of small offsets. Then again it might be a new sans and I haven't kept up with recent hybrids and commercial offerings. I hope yours lives and we can see what adult plants look like. I'll check Smoley's website for a picture.

    Russ

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  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Russ, I would love to see your lists. I have a lovely Anthurium Clareinervium that I bought many years ago when I lived in Fla. Do you have that one? I should be able to do some cuttings in the spring.

  • Russ1023 (central Fla)
    8 years ago

    barbmock, I grew A. clarinervium many years ago but don't have it now. I don't grow many anthuriums but do have a couple of dozen. I have 'Mehani' that I could probably share, it's a hybrid similar in looks to clarinervium but a bit smaller and offsets easier.

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    Everyone, sorry if lists are lengthy, let me know if you see anything interesting to you.

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    AGLAONEMAS

    As of December 2014

    Russ Hammer

    bluesea14808@yahoo.com

    * Asterisk indicates an old heirloom aglaonema, or a species which will have first letter lower case

    Abidjan*

    *alumina v. armandii (commercially Sterling)

    *B.J. Freeman aka Cecelia

    Black Lance

    *brevispathum

    Brilliant

    Calypso

    Cassandra

    *commutatum v. commutatum f. Elegans

    *comm. v. comm. variegata

    *costatum v. semi-albovariegatum* (sold as Best Diamond)

    Cory

    *crispum

    Cutlass

    Deborah

    Decora

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    Gemini ?

    Gold Dust

    Green Lady

    Illumination

    Jewel of India

    Jubilee

    Jubilee Petite

    Key Largo

    *Malay Beauty/Pewter

    *Maria

    *Tricolor X Manila - pink petiole Nat DeLeon hybrid circa 1960)

    *Tricolor X Manila - russet petiole (Nat DeLeon hybrid circa 1960)

    *modestum

    *modestum variegata

    *Moe Moe

    *Moonglow

    Moonlight Bay

    Mystic Marble

    Painted Princess

    Patricia

    Peacock

    *pictum v. bicolor - aka 'Frog' - Unsure of my source, possibly from Glasshouse Works, Corning Ohio several decades ago, with the name Echo. Dr. Brown also had this little species when I visited. He called it Frog and used it in some of his aglaonema crosses.

    *pseudobracteatum

    *San Remo (probable ID)

    Shamrock

    Silver Frost

    Silver Bay

    Silverado

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    Stripes

    Snowcap

    White Rain

    White Lance

    Queen of Siam seedling, Dr. Brown (identical to Diamond Bay)

    Shades/Black Beauty


    THAI HYBRIDS

    Gem Series #5

    Emerald Holiday

    Kaew Kanjani

    Pink Jade

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    Red Valentine

    Siam Pearl or Masterpiece


    UNIDENTIFIED AGS

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    PHILODENDRON LIST

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    billietae - green petioled form

    bipennifolium (panduraforme)

    bipennifolium Minibelle, some muted variegation, twisted leaves

    bipinnatifidum (selloum)

    Black Jack (might be Burgundy)

    Black Cardinal

    brasiliense

    Bob See

    Burgundy - Alberts & Merkel Nursery, Boynton Beach Fla (closed)

    Burle Marx

    cordatum (Angra dos Reis)

    Calkin's Gold

    camposportoanum

    Congo Green

    Congo Red

    corcovadense

    crassinervium

    distantilobum

    Florida

    Florida Ghost (my code Fla Ivory)

    Golden Dragon

    Golden Erubescens

    grazielae

    hederaceum

    hederaceum variegata

    hederaceum yellow form

    hederaceum Brasil

    hederaceum v. miduhoi

    hederaceum v. micans

    hederaceum v. glaucophyllum (Silver Sword)

    holtonianum

    Hope - meconostigma type

    ilsemannii variegata

    ilsemannii variegata #2 (slightly different clone)

    inconcinnum

    joepii

    King of Spades (Ace of Spades) collected 1979 Louisiana

    Lynette

    martianum (cannifolium)

    mello-barretoanum

    mexicanum

    Painted Lady

    pedatum -wild collected French Guiana, Selby Bot Gdn, Sarasota Fla

    pedatum - Leland Miyano, Hawaii

    pinnatifidum

    Pink Princess

    Prince Dubonnet

    Princess - semi self-header

    pusillum - 2nd smallest philo known, IAS Fairchild TG, 2000

    radiatum, probably variety radiatum (large form)

    Red Duchess

    Red Emerald

    Red Princess

    Red Wine

    Royal Queen

    renauxii

    Santa Leopoldina

    sp. 69686

    sp. Dr. Mansell

    sp. Venezuela

    selloum compacta - Rockledge Gdns, Fla

    stenolobum - narrow, ruffled leaf form

    stenolobum - regular form, Leslie Rule Nebraska

    stenolobum cross? Leland Miyano, Hawaii

    Strawberry Shake

    superbum (bernardopazii)

    tortum - Shirley Vessels, KY

    warscewiczii

    Xanadu

    Xanadu - yellow form (Golden Xanadu)

    X Evansii

    No ID - possible Thai Hybrid

    No ID - possibly Pincushion, very small, red petioles

    No ID - very small meconostigma, twisted leaves

    No ID - 3 different leaf-variants of bipinnatifidum

    No ID - Multicolor hybrid, Alberts & Merkel, Boynton Beach Fla

    No ID - oligospermum? Chris Gussman, NJ, collected in Ecuador

    No ID - 'Some kind of hybrid', Christian, Daytona Beach Fla

    No ID - vining type, bright yellow new leaves, Brian Williams Ohio

    No ID - vining type, all green leaf, possibly Emerald Queen

    No ID - self-heading type, possibly Emerald Prince

    No ID - small vining type, all green, Linda Monroe, Texas

    No ID - small vining type #2, all green, Linda Monroe, Texas

    No ID - possibly radiatum, Tom Schultz, Maine

    No ID - Aberrant rugosum (name from NS Exotics)

    No ID - domesticum?

    No ID - domesticum #2

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    carnosa

    carnosa #1 unidentified variegate

    carnosa #2 unidentified variegate

    carnosa v. Chelsea

    carnosa compacta - all green

    carnosa compacta variegata

    carnosa unidentified - possibly Chelsea or Krinkle 8

    cummingiana

    diptera

    fungii

    heuschkelia

    kerrii

    limonica

    merrillii

    micrantha

    nicholsoniae

    obovata

    obscura

    pentaphlebia

    pubicalyx

    rigida IML 1424

    surigaoensis

    verticellata variegata

    wayetii

    wayetii variegata

    unidentified, possibly pottsii



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    abyssinica (forskaoliana) - 9/2005

    'Alva' trifasciata X deserti - Koko Crater, Hawaii 1998

    arborescens - rcvd as “cylindrica v. patula 7/31/91 FW”

    Aubrytiana – 9/2002

    bagamoyensis – rcvd as arborescens

    bandipur

    bandipur – Tropiflora

    ballyi

    bella

    Blue Hybrid – USDA fiber research program, 1950s

    canaliculata

    canaliculata dwarf

    caulescens

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    concinna

    concinna Lake Sibaya - Natal, Dave Hardy 19874 (1977)

    concinna Sudwalla Caves

    concinna Lav 5933 -F/C 20 km w. of Vilanculos, Mozambique, sp. Socotra Dwarf

    concinna Lav 5949 - possibly incorrect ID, could be fasciata

    concinna sp. Socotra -not dwarf

    concinna sp. - US Botanic Garden

    cylindrica v. cylindrica

    dawei –

    deserti (have?)

    deserti F-1 hybrid – Grigsby Cactus Nursery 9/1998

    dooneri

    downsii

    downsii – GC 78-126 Philip Downs (broken label: …......ett) (illeg: ...mawi)

    ehrenbergii

    elliptica (Horwood, sp. 22830, FKH 424)

    erythraea - (schweinfurthii)

    fasciata

    fischeri (singularis)

    fischeri X kirkii – Vivaio Brookside Nursery Italy

    francisii

    frequens

    grandis

    gracilis Pfennig's form

    hallii

    hallii Blue Form (Blue Bat)

    hallii Lundi (Lundi Bat)

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    Heidelberg seedling - GC 22836 Grigsby Cactus Nursery

    javanica Striated

    Koko – E. E.'s Koko (Ed Eby) - probably from Huntington Bot Gdn CA 1999

    kirkii v. pulchra

    kirkii v. Superclone – Huntington BG – Vivaio Brookside Nursery: 'This isn't a kirkii'.

    kirkii v. Coppertone

    Leopard Bat – fischeri X (raffillii?)

    Leopard Bat – fischeri X (raffillii?) Manny Singer, Huntington BG 10/2007

    liberica

    liberica – CSSA seed depot sowed 2/06, liberica mix open-pollinated Hawaii

    Lone Kofod - probably dooneri

    Malawi Midnight - sp. 21027

    Masai

    Midnight Fountain – Originally received as Midnight Star

    masoniana

    masoniana GC 78-133 Grigsby Cactus Nursery

    metallica (guineensis) Manolyn

    metallica (guineensis) Siam Silver

    metallica (guineensis) San Remo - rcvd as trifasciata aurea, ID by Juan Chahinian

    nilotica v. obscura

    Old Man Silver - trifasciata X deserti - (Fla H-13) Huntington BG 1999

    pearsoni - UCD-B73-064 HBG 61036, Rodin 9259 Dramboland, S. Africa

    patens

    patens – US Botanic Garden

    pinguicula

    parva – 5/2004

    parva Gilt-Edge

    Parva Wide Leaf

    phillipsiae - Tenerife Spain, Botanic Garden Puerto De La Cruz

    raffillii

    raffillii – Endangered Species Nursery, AB.ED, probably Huntington BG, 1999

    robusta

    Robusta - Tenerife Spain 5/2004

    roxburghiana – Univ of Fla at Tampa Botanic Garden Sale

    rhodesiana - Vivaio Brookside Italy, IX 2008 ex VBN (salig)

    sambiranensis

    scimitariformis - Vivaio Brookside, Italy SA124

    senegambica – 9/2007

    sinus-simiorum - 7/2006

    stuckyi (mutant) - 1998

    stuckyi – Tenerife Spain 5/2004

    subsipicata

    Stellette (hybrid w/trifasciata)

    Screen Door trifasciata X deserti - (Fla H-13) Huntington BG, Calif 1999

    suffruticosa

    suffruticosa Frosty Spears - (possibly) 4/2006

    suffruticosa-type – rcvd as Fruticosa Linden, more robust than suffruticosa

    Tarzana? – 5/2008, looks like fischeri

    trifasciata

    trif. Bantel's Sensation

    trif. Black Sport

    trif. Black Gold

    trif. Craigii

    trif. Futura

    trif. Gilt Edge – 1998

    trif. Gold Flame

    trif. Gray Lady – 1998

    trif. Hahnii Jade Dwarf

    trif. Hahnii Jade Dwarf Marginated

    trif. Hahnii Marginated

    trif. Hahnii Seibert

    trif. Hahnii Streaker

    trif. Laurentii

    trif. Laurentii Compacta

    trif. Lillian True (Slipped Stripes)

    trif. Slimmerette (supposedly) Bob Smoley Nursery FL

    trif. Sunrise

    trif. Wagner's Gold – 1998

    Tugela River Valley

    Tom Grumbley - Vivaio Brookside, Italy SA153 10/2009

    USDA 19522 trifasciata X deserti - AW 1998, USDA fiber research prog 1950s

    USDA 19537 trifasciata X deserti - AW 1998, USDA fiber research prog 1950s

    volkensii (intermedia) Huntington BG, CAHBG 61071

    zanzibarica – 9/2002


    Unidentified or Undescribed Species

    sp. 21027 – Poland

    sp. Lav 23242 – Somalia, 3 km s. of Balal, n. of Mozambique (prop leaf only)

    sp. Lav & BC – SWA w. foot of Grootberg Pass, Damaraland

    sp. Chimanimani Mountains – 4/2006

    sp. Kitonga –ES 20424, Tanzania, Iringa Province, Kitonga Gorge 10/09

    sp. Chahinian 549 (A-15) – rcvd as Chahinian 15, Huntington BG CA

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    sp. FN 2409

    sp. PF 1056 – IX 108, Poland 5/2009

    sp. ES 22269 – aff bella, Ernst Specks, Mbeya Province, Tanzania Poland

    sp. Uganda

    sp. Nova ES 14826 - 2009

    sp. ES 20122, E. Specks, Tanzania, 2006

    sp. 23251 – rorida type

    sp. The Dyke – 3/2008

    sp. ES 21847 – 5/2009, Poland

    sp. ES 22575 – Tanzania, n. of Sumbawanga, locality 43-36, Poland

    sp. ES 15950 – Cradock, RSA, poss form of aethiopica/scabrifolia, Poland 10/09

    sp. SNRS 19499 – 4/2006

    sp. 19525 – 5/2008

    sp. R2470 – similar to hallii, see Journal 6, Henny Vanderwaal, Poland 9/2009

    scimitariformis – Viaio Brookside Nursery, Italy, label says SA 123, (...illegible..) Fikizola crossing.








  • akrrm (Nancy in NJ 7a)
    Original Author
    8 years ago

    Russ, so far all of the plants I received from Bob Smoley are doing well except for the green fountain. The two that were yellowed and shriveled died and the other two don't look too great. They remind me of wilted string beans.

    The picture on his website looks like unpotted plants tangled together.

  • Russ1023 (central Fla)
    8 years ago

    Doesn't sound good on the remaining ones, Bob Smoley might replace them if you notify him of their condition when they arrived. You might do that soon since he might have a time window for notification of problems. I'll have a look at his website and the Green Fountain.

    Thanks!

  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Russ, You have such an amazing collection. Oh, to have the space to collect so many. You must have been working on this for a long time. I did notice one cute little hoya not on your list. It's called Mathilde. I have a good sized plant that can be trimmed every once in a while.

  • Russ1023 (central Fla)
    8 years ago

    I have an old, wooden 12 x 24 foot shadehouse that I built in 1993 when I moved back to Fla from Texas, and over an acre with lots of oak trees. I grow most of my plants under two big oaks behind the shadehouse, it is a good growing area with shade and dappled sun. It does get too cold to grow outside all year though, and dragging sensitive plants in and out of the garage with the cold fronts is a pain.

    I've been interested in horticulture all my life, started collecting aroids and other tropicals in the 1970s. I was in the Air Force for over 20 years and took many plants from one assignment to another. My Philo King of Spades goes back to 1979, collected at an obscure nursery in coastal Louisiana. I think my P. stenolobum is from the mix-70s and P. erubescens from early 1980s. I value plants with history, even common ones.

    I think I've heard of H. Mathilde, perhaps a carnosa variety but in any case I'd be glad to trade for it.

    Do you have to bring all your plants in for the winter? I suppose that's the regimen for anyone living north of central Florida so it's probably a dumb question.

    Russ


  • barbmock
    8 years ago

    Hi Russ,

    Hoya cv Mathilde is carnosa x serpens, tiny little leaves and a nice flower. I missed your question about the concinna. I believe it to be Lav 5933, very tiny leaves. I hope to see it bloom one day.

    i agree with you about valuing plants with history. I have have had my anthurium going since the 70s when we lived in Fla. Even in south Fla, there are cold snaps that cause lots of damage. We used to throw sheets and blankets over the shrups and plants when it would get cold.

    Up here in north Georgia, we have four definite seasons. I have found that I have to be very careful when the weather cools because we also get lots of rain. I bring most of my plants inside around mid Sept. Even in the spring I get in trouble if I put them out too early. I am lucky to have three nice windows with morning sun, and that helps keep everything in good shape inside the house.