What's the deal with non-citrus people anyway? ;) ah, the fabled flying dragon... I have seen FD for sale here in N. Cal as just a plant unto itself, though admittedly only at one particular and strange garden center. Big sucker too--like 3 feet in height, multistemmed. I thought about getting one and then rooting cuttings of it...or maybe growing some fruit and collecting seeds so I'd have graftworthy plants when I'm like 100 years old...Have you asked about special ordering one at a nursery? Choice A is probably what a lot of people do. I'm just gonna add to existing trees , and then if I later get my hands onto some real rootstock I will just take a bud and re-graft. This won't help this year, but I've seen some website that sells FD seeds but you need to order like a whole liter or something ridiculous...I really want like, 30! (Maybe someone wants to trade?? )It makes laugh when I hear of people in other states who just find the fruit laying on the ground and use that...how unfair :)...You can use other rootstock as well. I've got sour oranges growing--a few types--and that is supposed to be good rootstock as well. Last point--I can't speak for other growers and I should just ask them, but I know that at least for some of its trees Four Winds Growers does NOT use FD for all of it's "true dwarf" citrus. I have no idea what what it is--some type of orange? it's got an orange look to it, anybody know?--but many of my trees are from them and the suckers are NOT trifoliate-looking. The only tree I have seen producing a trifoliate-type sucker and grown by Four Winds was a Key lime... Moral of the really long-winded story is you can still get a real nice tree on another rootstock. HTH.

Thanks guys, but I can't ask my son to drive 2-3 hours away for a citrus tree..LOL..I'd do it, maybe, but I don't think he'd go for it.. He has driven to a few beaches, Muscle beach, if that sounds right??? Veniece beach? I'm not sure on the names, let alone the spelling..(S) If I didn't have the birds I'd like to drive out there to visit him, but w/8 birds and a 170lb dog it's hard finding someone to care for them. After my son, (Mike) familiarizes the areas, I'll be more insistent about him driving to buy me a citrus..lol..Thanks, guys, Toni

Your buying the trash from Tree Source.... Other growers sell rootstock in 14" tall pots for the same price that are ready to be budded Here is a link that might be useful: Other Growers

I screened out any chance of my seeds from smooth flat seville. My soil is very hard pan clay, It gets soggy. It is 7.8 PH. It gets really cold. With my cultivar going down to below 20F and outside temperature drops below 5F on the years of lanenia. My triple glass front GH against a heated house wall rarely needs heat. The trees are in a pit 4 feet deep and the insulated front wall rises another 2 feet. My glass rises 9 feet from the base and gives me 15 feet hight. The trees will be held to within 2 feet of the house wall being semi espalier growing. My seed grown Meiwa kumquats will be planted in front in the same pit and will be limited to no more than 7 feet. I have read that own rooted Meiwas can go down to 10F. I have 3 small standard PT that are to hard for me to graft to so they went into the ground .for a hedge to hide my neighbor's 2 junked cars she can't let go of' Steve