Larsi. Biz will suds for me depending on detergent. ..but it seems to disappear on 1st rinse...ya try the biz with the A&H 4 in 1 pods. Lol...I have a load of white bath, hand, and facecloths with A&H4 in 1 pods and tide boost paks, which I'm happy to report I found in pittsburgh yesterday. Larsi you report on your progress and I'll let you know how mine does.

I didn't get to the Mexican grocer in Pittsburgh, my 7 yo had his appendex removed, its been a nightmare since he can't take narcardic pain meds due to sleep apnea.

Well everything works different in different water--I have no problems with All and Biz is a great cleaner but is SUDS CITY.(for me). I get less suds with Clorox 2.

I personally have crazy suds with Biz as well. Can only use it as a prewash or presoak, however in my water I don't get any kind of visible results from adding it, so I save it for rags and office kitchen towels where I don't really care about perfection. Everything else gets Oxiclean.

Glad I never bothered.

Yes...I think is might be the Biz as well! The load I washed last night with Biz and all powder looked & smelled great. The amount of suds in the wash and 3 rinses was not acceptable though.

I did another load with Biz and an Arm & Hammer 4in1 pack/pod....and while a little less suds than with the Biz and all powder.....still SUDS. Way more than I am used to, or comfortable with! Normally even using TWO A&H 4in1 pods give virtually no suds.

I did an mini "experiment". I plugged my deep laundry room sink, turned the water on high pressure and added a tsp. or so of all powder detergent. Suds for sure, but they started to go away rather quickly.

Drained and thoroughly rinsed the sink and drain stopper. Re-plugged the sink, turned the water on high and then added the same amount of Biz powder by itself. O M G....SUDS-o-RAMA

Larsi..do you have soft water? Did you buy the biz due to the sodium percarbonate? Personally I'm sick of buying oxy additives that are full of fillers, although I love biz..I'm going to order 99% pure sodium percarbonate on line. I've used Ecovers powdered oxy in the past that was 100% pure sodium percarbonate ( sold at a local health store) but Ecover no longer makes it, anyway it was the absolute best so I'm figuring the 99% pure can't be far off and certainly better than products containing 50% or more filler.

Now about these Tide Boost Paks: LOVE THEM thank you for recommending them. I did the white towels course I let them soak an hour with 2 A&H 4 in 1 paks and 1 tide boost and they all came out beautiful. Low suds, and the water was nice and slippery.I let a load of guys and kids whites soak overnight, again 2 A&H paks and 1 tide boost when I finished them this morning, WHITE, and not a stain in sight. have to say you were dead on with these 2 products. I will buy them both again, thank you Larsi.

Long ago I bought the Ecover "Pure" no filller oxi, also ordered "Pure stuff" from the chemical store. Did ok but really couldn't tell any difference in that and the ones we can get at the grocery or dollar store. But just my opinion. There was not a difference with or without. For me, I can tell more difference using Tide w/bleach powder than anything. My two cents.

Sparky..did you do hot water and soaks with it...thing about oxygen bleach is it needs hot and time, most washers don't wash long enough for the oxy to be effective. But than again Sparky if your clothes are already white- white there won't be a noticable difference, it will just keep them that way.I think much of the problem in this forum is all the long time members already have sparkling whites..now were just keeping them that way lol. In which case we don't see a difference.lol

Forgot to mention Sparky..I love tide/ bleach..IMO its the best of the Tide offerings.

Mamapinky....YAY!!!! So darn happy you too like the A&H 4in1 packs and the Tide Boost pods. They are my FAVS.

I'm doing a load a sheets now, as I type, a big load...CA King fitted, top sheet and 4 pillow cases. I used the smallest amount of all powder with the smalles amount of Biz powder.....SUDS, SUDS!! Seriously, almost 1/2 the way up the glass. I do not think this combo will work. I already called my neighbor lady, who has an old fashioned, water thirsty top loader....and she's excited to get my mistakes AGAIN. I give them all to her, LOL!!

I have 3 more loads to wash today, and I am going back to Arm & Hammer 4in1 packs and Tide pods for the whites or lights! Almost no suds. Clear rinses, no stains, no odors, light, clean scent!!

Yeah my whites are already white--at least white enough. I did/do use it in Hot but I don't soak. I have a f/l and it has a setting where it tumbles and then sits for a few minutes, then another tumble, sit again but that takes a good long time so I have rarely ever used that.

I know you said before you use a T/L washer. What brand do you have?

Larsi: Just saw your comment about the sheets and the SUDS and I have rolled!!!! When you get those back on the bed you may feel like you are in the clouds if you will just think back! LOL.

Biz is good, just not for F/L's.

This is what my wash loads have been looking like with Biz and all powder. I've raised the white flag with this combo, LOL!!! This a small set of sheets, from my sons bed (full/double size).

but.....I am currently washing a CA King sized blanket/thin comforter (80% cotton, 20% polyester fill). Heavy Duty Cycle, Hot water, Fresh Rinse, Max Spin. Using one Arm & Hammer 4in1 pack and 1/4 scoop of Biz powder....Almost no suds!! Hmmmmm, very interesting. Maybe I can keep the Biz and add it to large, heavy loads. Maybe the all powder and Biz powder combo is bad for light weight loads or small loads!

So sorry about the problems the Biz is giving you larsi, but selfishly I wish I was your neighbor so I could have your 'mistakes' LOL!!

Omg..Larsi...that combo won't work..I don't know why the hell biz can't make a low suds ...sorry your having such issues. Try it in a load of really really dirty play clothes..you know the dirtier they are the less suds..but its prolly not worth it.

Sparky I've heard a lot of people say their machines don't wash long enough for oxy bleach to benefit them. I have a Roper top loader, I think its 15 years old it was my mothers and when I inherited her home I just kept it..it has worked very well, 8 cycles extra wash, normal, regular, light, perm press, delicate, prewash, and soak. 3 water levels , with a option for warm rinse. Only problem I've had was last summer it needed cleaned (if you want to hear about that nightmare job I'll be glad to tell you) but I need to learn how to tweek the water level..I think my step dad lowered it somehow since it doesn't fill full on wash or rinse and I thought this was before the regulations but I could be wrong. I'm on the hunt for an older automatic, I have a friend of a friend that has a old automatic and a wringer for me, they still work and have been kept indoors, I have no idea the brand name, and with the man's wife very ill I'm not calling him until things get better. Believe me I'm dying to get them lol.

DONE with Biz and all powder too. Just finished a load of my kids' clothes (they are actually high speed spinning now). His clothes from Summer Camp were very very soiled...dirt, sand, pizza, paint, ice cream, etc!. I also had some of his friends' clothes added to his clothes (play date and sleep over). Once again....very lowest amount of Biz Powder and all powder detergent.....SUDS again. S U D S!!!! Insane amount! Neighbor lady is getting BIG boxes of all and Biz today!!! My mistake (again), her gain. Gain?? Oh....I like the way Gain smells! LOL ha ha ha ha

Gain with oxi..my fav gain if I had a fav...but last I checked all the gains are marked ** FOR BOTH** and they suds a good bit. Lol Larsi...go for the gold!!!

Mamapinky and larsi you two are a riot!!

Yeah, Gain really does suds a lot. I think the Gain with Oxi smells amazing, and actually works great, but the amount of suds and poor rinsing.....My neighbor is still enjoying that one. LOL ;)

Lol Jean refresh my memory do you have a HE or traditional machine? You can get away with Gain in a traditional.

Larsi does your neighbor know how lucky he/ she is. A few weeks ago my neighbor came knocking asking to borrow a cup of detergent, course she lookef and looked and didn't seem to be able to decide what brand she wanted, I sent her home with a few ziplocks of different ones lol. Puts a whole new spin on borrowing a cup of sugar. I think she's been gossiping about my detergents because people around here are looking at me kinda strange, so I lined a empty tide box with a plastic bag thru in some dirt and put a plant in it...than I set it on the banister of the porch haha..hubs seen it and said ** your sick*** he11 I thought it was funny.

Larsi, is this the All powder with sodium Percarbonate in it already?

Mamapinky-a water hogging traditional Top Loader. I will keep it when I get my Electrolux later this year. I bet you are the talk of the town you detergent addict!

rps.....YES!

Jean, I live in a small country like town with a walmart on the outskirts, everyone knows everyone's business. So I'm sure everyone knows.lol, if they didn't the hubs always makes sure they do, one day checking out at walmart, hubs puts laundry detergent up on the conveyer counter and says * my wife doesn't need this she has 60 at home. So they either thought I was crazy or the hubs.

At the rate Larsi is going by doing "Just one more trial with Biz" the neighbor will be out of luck .(empty box) Lol. And I'm sure the bottom of the box will be as sudsy as the top was!

I don't have any trouble with the All Free Powder/NO Biz. Maybe the scented All has more suds than the Free??

Lol Sparky....I read the ALL box a few days ago and geesh my box of ALL must be old because there's no enzymes or sodium percarbonate in mine...think I'll call the 800# on the box and ask when mine was made. Anyway I usually use powder tide free for my asthmatic grandson, but I'm gonna try ALL free powder soon as I get back to the store. I know a lot of people really like it.

Jean your getting a LARSI washer? Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!! I'm going next door one of these days and using my neighbors FL, she has one of the Kenmores, I'm curious about these FL'ers. I doubt I could give up my top loader, I like all that water, and the long soaks, leaving the lid open, adding a garment, the long walks on the beach, lol, I just don't think I could give it up for a whole new way of doing laundry. But I am curious.

I have front loader envy big time! My almost 93 yo Grandma has a Maytag front loader. I would love to pull up a chair just to watch it but I think she would think that was too much. Yea-a LARSI washer-he made me do it! Definitely keeping the old top loader as it is only 6 years old. You taught me about presoak and so I cant let it go!

Pink-Maybe your All was made when it was Lever Bros. instead of Sun. Should say on box.

Nope Sparky it says The Sun Products Corp...usually there are dates, at least on p&g products.

The only time I have suds with Biz and Tide with Bleach He is when I was a very small load of a couple of items and need concentrated stain cleaning and use full doses of both. O therwise, I've never seen suds like that in my Duet. But then again, my loads aren't that small. They're usually pretty close to capacity.