Do I swtich from gas cooktop to induction?
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Comments (8)I would encourage you to get a portable induction unit to test it out before you make such an important decision. A portable induction unit will serve you well during the remodel phase when your kitchen is out of commission too, so don't think of it as throwaway money or anything. I myself thought I "had" to have gas. We realized that anything we do that NEEDS gas, can be done outside on the grill. I prefer induction for energy efficiency and child safety reasons (plus heat responsiveness that is faster than gas!). So we are getting a Viking 24" griddle (VGGT240) with a 30" Miele induction next to it. The "30 inch" induction is actually 31.25" wide. I plan to leave 1" gap in between the two appliances so I will have 56.25" wide cooking space that I will vent with a 60" hood. If you put induction on the island, keep in mind you will also need venting on the island. Island venting is more expensive than wall venting. Plus the sum of two vents is more expensive than one, partly because of the HVAC cost to install the vents. Whether you have the 60" bluestar or the 48"+induction, I believe you need a 66" hood, not 60". The general rule of thumb is you need 3" overlap on each side. Especially since you said you often have all six burners going, you will really NEED that 6" overlap. I also don't know if you can really install the 12" induction unit butted up right next to a free standing bluestar range. I would expect you need at least a sliver of counter on the side for the induction to be installed into. Does that make sense? So maybe a 48" bluestar + 12" induction will actually total more than 60" because you'll need some space in between. Also, I don't know the specs on the bluestar but most ranges sit slightly above the counter top. That would really make your induction feel cramped, to have an obstacle (your range) on the side which limits your motion. The bluestar might not do that -- just check first. One benefit for me with induction is that I don't have to deal with the height of cooking grates. My cooking height is at 36" with the Miele induction. My current range, the grates put my cooking surface height at about 37.5". I'm short so it's hard to see into the back pots. I hope this helps and gives you food for thought. It's a tough decision. I had my heart set on a lot of things and as I step back and really think through things, and gone out and touched and felt appliances and started to get a clearer visual of my future kitchen -- I've had to emotionally let go of a lot of things that I thought I wanted. But the final result is I am even HAPPIER. :)...See MoreShould we do induction cooktop or gas?
Comments (7)Induction is not safer than gas. To get performance out of gas on par with induction you need to spend at least $1600 for a 30" cooktop or ~2100 for a 36" gas cooktop. Gas cooktops are a mature technology and are simple to fix. Worst case scenario you use a match to light. Induction hob goes out it can be expensive to repair. Cost and durability of current induction hobs unknown. History of consumer electronics is not that they get cheaper AND more reliable. Some induction owners report "buzz" sound when on. Below is a post made by GW poster John Liu about the saftey of gas vs induction hobs and wall vs range ovens. ----------------------------------------------------------- "I have toddlers, so I need a high wall oven". "Because of my babies, I won't consider a gas range". "I'm getting induction because I care about my childrens' safety." Does any of this sound familiar? I see these sentiments occasionally here on KF. They are expressed by younger parents who have very young children, or are planning to start families. Oddly enough, I seldom (actually, can't specifically recall ever) hear these concerns from older parents who have actually raised children. Humans learn from experience, so you'd expect the loudest warnings against ranges and gas burners to come from those with . . . experience. Why don't we? I decided to go looking for data. Here is an interesting article, "Kitchen Scalds and Thermal Burns in Children Five Years and Younger", that was published in Pediatrics, Jan 2005. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/115/1/10 The scientists examined the records of all kitchen thermal burns that resulted in a child's visit to a statistical sample of 100 emergency departments nationwide, over a period of five years, 1997-2002. They looked at all cooking-related thermal injuries, excluding accidents where a child pulled on an electrical appliance's cord and was injured by the toaster, coffee maker, etc and/or its contents. The main findings were: - Scalds from hot liquid were the main cause of burns serious enough for an ER room visit (was 2/3rd of the cases), and are the dominant cause of hospitalizations. - Burns from touching hot pots or other surfaces were less common (was 1/3rd of the cases), and seldom resulted in hospitalization. Most burns were from touching a hot pot. - There were 7 total injury patterns: (1) reached up and pulled down pot from stove or other elevated surface; (2) grabbed, overturned, or spilled pot onto self; (3) collided with pot or with person holding pot; (4) put hands into pot; (5) pot contents splashed onto child; (6) other; and (7) unknown. (1) (2) and (5) were the most common, accounting for about 50% of all the injuries. (6) and (7) were less than 10%. - Boys were more likely to climb up on counters and spill pots on themselves. Girls were more likely to have hot liquids splashed on them. Note what was not a significant pattern of injury requiring a hospital visit: chidren touching a hot oven door, chidren holding their hands in a gas flame, children turning on a gas burner and blowing themselves up. I can't say these accidents never happen, but if they do, it is so rare as to not show up in the data. Here's my take on this. Your concern for the safety of your children, both born and unborn, should have essentially nothing to do with what kind of range, cooktop, or wall oven you choose. Whether the pot is on a gas flame or an induction hob really makes no difference to your child's risk of being scalded or burned, whether the knobs are on the front or the top makes no difference, and whether the pan is in a range oven or a wall oven also makes no difference. It isn't the appliance! that is the threat to your child. They all do the same thing: get pots and pans, and their contents, very hot. The threat is the pots and pans and the food in them. Take care to keep pots on the back burners, handles turned in. Have landing space to set hot pots away from counter edges. Design your kitchen so you don't have to criss-cross the room carrying pots of hot liquid (unlike a couple of kitchens recently discussed here). Supervise your children and watch where you're walking. That is what is important, not your appliance selection. From a father whose two kids have reached 11 y/o and 14 y/o without any kitchen accidents, despite having grown up in some awfully dodgy kitchens!...See MoreDo want it? Yes I do! Do I need it? Induction cooktop
Comments (3)Thanks for the encouraging and sage words. :) Skypathway1 I love to cook but am not a fancy cook. My husband is and makes tasty meals for us often. Our grown son cooks and bakes frequently as well. You re-sold me on the induction with your words, which are echoed by many here. Unfortunately I can't really pay for one. :) I wish wishing worked. :) Texas Gem I believe you will get what you planned for. You sound very level headed and practical in your approach. I did get a few things I wanted. For that I'm very happy :) I had to be practical too. Which is why I appreciate this forum so much. Many including you have waited and bided your time just as I've had to do. Much of what we have now in our kitchen is due to our concerted effort in purchasing everything gently used, including the stove, dishwashers and cupboards and counters. It took years but we finally have a truly useable if smallish, kitchen for the first time ever. I had never had a good stove or lots of space to prep and cook on. We did get the long expanses of counter and the good used fridge so this was a dream come true for our kitchen but the induction just wasn't meant to be. I liked the idea because when my adult son cooks his illness makes it hard for him to stay standing and tend the stove. He times everything and gets up and down frequently. I wished to take that burden away from him after all these years. What makes it harder is that I've been saving and planning our kitchen for years. Life and illness take their price, so reality is that there's little chance of more. We're in our late 50s and must think about when we are older, as our son continues to need extra care. Thank goodness we have made this little house accessible already because of our circumstances. so we can grow old in it comfortably and inexpensively. The kitchen is what it is going to be. :( So now I've had to accept it. Begrudgingly. Okay maybe not accept it but live with it until I do. I'm practicing faking it. How am I doing so far? My big consolation is that I'm able bodied and can still work so we can stay in our home and not be driven out by the illnesses etc. Count my blessings. 10 years GWer mostly lurker and TKOer Yeona...See MoreI'm losing my mind! All induction cooktop or MY preference: with gas?
Comments (14)Thank you ALL for your responses. Each has helped clarify add'l thoughts I've had and brought up new ones! I THINK I've made a decision about what I need to do. As of this moment, I'm going to buy a 30" black glass induction cooktop - 4 burners. When I want to use one of my non-induction pans, I'm going to use a heavy-duty gas, 12,000 BTU portable unit that runs on Butane (1 hr. of continuous high BTUs usage; 2-3 hrs. for medium)! It's clear that my needs for those won't be often, but it WILL solve most of my issues that were bothering me and I won't have to give ALL of my favorite pans away that I so feared. And I'll still have access to BOTH induction AND gas (my original duel-fuel passion)! The reviews for this particular 12,000 BTU gas unit were outstanding and it's cost is less than $50 for the privilege. I was considering the Bosch Flexinduction or the highly praised (by reviewers) Frigidaire FGIC 3067MB. But, now I've noticed here the Bosch 800 being discussed for less $$ than the Flex if one doesn't need the flexible pods (which I don't, really). Frigidaire has about all the goodies EXCEPT individual burner timers at around $1100 or so with just terrific reviews on amazon - an amazing price point. Can anyone point out some detriments of these three that I may not have noticed or be aware of? What would all of us unknowing people do without all your input and kind help??...See Morestir_fryi SE Mich
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