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Houseplants winter growth still going, what's up?
Comments (10)Not long ago on the Container Gardening and Houseplants forum, there was considerable disagreement about houseplant 'dormancy' that may have seemed wide spread, but that had actually come from primarily two members who argued vehemently and against all reason that since houseplants went dormant in winter that fertilizing was inappropriate. That some of their earlier posts referencing many of their plants enjoying good growth during the winter were pointed to as invalidating the arguments had no effect, other than to illustrate the arguments were ad hominum rather than against the facts. Unfortunately, some of the fallout from the lengthy period of disagreement lingers in the form of those few who might have believed that houseplants do go dormant. Some houseplants are genetically predisposed to slowing down or 'resting' during the winter months. Those neutral or short day plants that are not so affected can still be slowed by diminished photo-intensity, decreasing photo-period, and low temperatures, and those cultural conditions can also contribute to a genetic predisposition. The bottom line is: Houseplants slow growth based on genetic and cultural influences, both of which vary considerably - but they don't go dormant ..... to which all posters to this thread thus far will attest. I think it's easier to say you shouldn't fertilize in the winter when your vision is narrowed by your individual choices, or if you make assumptions. Make the assumption that all are growing in a water retentive soil that requires you to water in sips to prevent root rot, and you're much closer to being accurate in suggesting others following suit refrain from fertilizing in winter. Watering in sips ensures that solubles (salts) from tap water and fertilizer solutions accumulates in the soil, so of course contributing to this accumulation is a bad thing. By the same reasoning, and because a major source of salt accumulation is tap water, we should also stop watering. It's not the act of fertilizing in winter that causes problems; it's soil choice/watering habits, and to a significant degree - fertilizer choice. The goal of container gardeners, when it comes to fertilizing, is easily defined. Our plants grow best if we maintain all the essential nutrients in the soil at all times, in the same ratio as that used by plants, and at a level just high enough to prevent any deficiencies. Since plants don't stop growing in winter, they need all the essential nutrients in the soil to grow normally and to keep their systems orderly. It is extremely difficult to manage this when you can't water properly, because you can't manage the o/a level of salts w/o risking root rot. This is one of the more serious disadvantages of using heavy soils. Look now to the grower who uses a fast soil that allows him to water copiously w/o worry about root issues. This grower is free to fertilize every time he waters if he wishes to do so; this, because he can continually flush the accumulating salts from the soil every time he waters, and replace them with a low dose of fresh nutrients in a favorable ratio. This allows the grower to maintain the lowest fertility level possible w/o nutritional deficiencies. It doesn't get any better than that, and it is the best way to ensure the most attractive foliage, within the limiting effects of other cultural influences. A brief word about NPK %s. Choosing a fertilizer with an inappropriate NPK % because it says "Houseplants" on the label is a fast & sure way to end up with badly skewed nutrient ratios in the soil. I'll use the popular Schultz 10-15-10 houseplant fertilizer as an example. This fertilizer supplies almost 5X as much P as plants can use in relation to N. This ensures an excess of P in the soil (solution) that by Liebig's Law of the Minimum is harmful; and it would be particularly harmful in situations where the grower is required to water in sips. In fact, the accumulation of P to 10-20-30-40 times the amount required for a healthy plant that results from watering in sips, is probably more harmful than the potential deficiencies caused by withholding fertilizers in winter. Is it a wonder some think it inappropriate to fertilize in winter? Choosing a less than ideal NPK formulation is much less a problem when using a fast soil and watering correctly, because that combination prevents the accumulation of 1 or more nutrients; but it's still better to use an NPK ratio that most closely mimics that used by the plant. Bottom line: low levels of a full compliment of the nutrients plants assimilate from soils in the same ratio as that used by the plant are not only acceptable, but desirable. Personally, I fertilize all winter long, every time I water. I use the gritty mix, water until the water flows freely out the drain hole, and use 1/4 tsp of slightly diluted (from full strength) FP 9-3-6. I don't plan on changing soon because my plants have looked better than ever since I fell into this regimen. I even fertilize my succulents this way with no sign of rebellion or wayward habits. I hope this effort makes it to the thread - I somehow lost my first two attempts at a reply as I was approaching the end. Grrr! ;-) Al...See MoreNew peony roots planted in pots - Need help with new growth
Comments (2)They sound fine to me. I am so impatient a gardener I have learned to put dates on everything. I always think my plants have been growing much longer than they have. Al...See Moregrow light and aquarium light Promote plant growth street lamp
Comments (19)I didn’t mean to disappear for so long…I had some really unfortunate family issues come up, they are cleared away for now so back to something I enjoy. The first and second pictures are my basement farm, I took the pictures in the spring, many of the plants were in the process of moving outside to take advantage of the natural light since it is of much cheaper than artificial. I’ve been growing kale and some peppers all summer but for the most part until the fall I just start things here to move outside later. I’ve been using T5 and CFL bulbs for quite a while, but when I wanted to expand I found that the “3Watt” (note the quotation marks) LED lights, assuming their life was even 50% of rated, were very price competitive. I bought the two round black lamps in the first pic , they are “180Watt” “Full Spectrum” lamps and draw about 100Watts of actual electricity. Their Red:Blue Ratio is 5:1 and while I don’t remember the actual specs they were listed as 9 Band lights and do have white chips. They did a fantastic job, I got stronger and more compact (less leggy) plants, and though almost two years later a couple of issues have come up (see Footnote) I would quite happily buy these again. The rectangular white lamps came next they are “300Watt” (Actual is 190+) lamps and I am much less happy with them, they have a Red:Blue Ratio of 9.5:1 and may be good for dope growing where you want lots of buds but they don’t produce as much leafy green stuff as the “weaker” lights. That disappointment started me in to looking at what I could do making my own. The next picture is a pile of various experiments, some outright failures, others close but not exactly what I wanted. Out of all that came the current usable version, I’ve made two identical lamps, using 60 “3Watt” chips each, 12 bands and a Red:Blue Ratio of 4.5:1 (not including the UV chips). They draw about 120Watts actual since the drivers produce a constant current of 650mA. The frame is a pair of commercial grade cookie sheets and the chips are attached by ½ inch 4-40 machine screws. There are two cheap fans running to cool the unit and the temperature tops out around 15 degrees F over ambient. They have been running reliably since March. The next iterations will be attempts to jam more chips onto each cookie sheet, 90 chips seems reasonable, but I want to push the limit. Footnote.. They (The UFO style 180 Watt lamps) have not lasted as well as I would have hoped, a couple of the chips have burned lenses (I think because there is no airflow between them and the glass) and I have just lost half of the chips on one of the units. This is the second time for this but since like the first it is one of the chips that has died it is an easy fix. I plan to put a tutorial on the “instructables” website explaining what is going on inside these things and how to fix them when they die....See MoreFicus pruning, how to control direction of new growth
Comments (29)I love the indoor growth im still getting. I'm going to have to conclude the grow lights are definitely helping. I hope to keep this up all winter. Lights are on a timer from 7am - 8pm. just a few months ago I wasn't sure if ficus needed a sort of dormancy, not like deciduous trees that drop leaves, but more like an inactive growth period. However, I do believe if they get the right amount of light and conditions, they can just keep growing all year....See MoreUser
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