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Why my next washer won't be a High Efficiency

carabubble
9 years ago

Two reasons:

The first I've known for a long time, that I can't stop the machine and let clothes soak for awhile. I found that I could get really dirty/stained clothes cleaner with my old machine by stopping it and letting them soak. That's not an option on the HE machine.

The second reason has cropped up recently. Stores aren't selling HE detergents! At least my grocery store isn't. My favorite laundry detergent is Gain. I've even had compliments from guests about the sheets, towels, and their laundry. Now my grocery store is only carrying one brand with HE option and it isn't Gain. That means either buying a different brand or making a run to a different store.

But inasmuch as my machine is operating without any issues, it'll probably be awhile before I buy a new one.

Comments (33)

  • linda_in_iowa
    9 years ago

    I have had my HE set for over 9 years. I never have a problem finding HE detergents. My grocer sells it and so does Target and WalMart. I prefer Tide HE. My clothes get sparkling clean. I wash everything in cold water.

  • User
    9 years ago

    I had one and traded it off ASAP. Hated it. You can not wash clothes in one gallon of water and rinse in a quart.

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  • Georgysmom
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  • wildchild2x2
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    last modified: 9 years ago

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    9 years ago

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  • dees_1
    9 years ago

    I've had my Whirlpool Duet 9400 (front loader) pair for 12 years now and have had only one service call. It was for a known motherboard issue and that service call was about 4 years ago. Whirlpool paid for the part and I think the service call cost me $75. This set replaced an Amana traditional paid that was purchased in 1992. The bearings were starting to go in the old Amana so it was replaced.


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  • josephene_gw
    9 years ago

    I too have a maytag. Can't wait to move and leave it behind. Did you know lowes has a no return policy?

    I have had to:

    Remove the clothes after they are "washed" dry them then wash them again.

    Washer went through the wash cycle, the clothes were still dry.

    After the wash cycle the clothes were dripping wet, had to spin the clothes

    To get the water out, dry, then wash the clothes again.

    Try to wash sheets only to find a sheet had ballooned in the washer. Sheet was still dry.

    I like to put a load in then come back later to clean clothes.

    This washer takes too much pampering for me.

    I gave up on trying to contact maytag. Their website only tells says I am not loading it right. I load it the same every time.

    One would think the mfgs would test the washers before putting it on the assembly line.

  • cat_ky
    9 years ago

    I just replaced a basic GE set with a basic Whirlpool set. I like it, but, I have to say, that I cant soak clothes with it either. It does have a lid lock, which I really dislike. You do push pause, and the lid will open, but, this machine is set up so that if it sits on pause for so many minutes, all the water automatically drains out. I could well do without that feature, so even though, I do like my new machine with its agitator etc, and it is not HE, there are still new features that machines come with these days. Do your research and find the machine that suits your needs.


  • jewelisfabulous
    9 years ago

    Not ever having to fix countless "unbalanced load" problems, like I had to do with my top loader, makes the front load HE well worth it to me.

  • Chi
    9 years ago

    I have one. I like it. The washing takes forever but the dryer only takes a few minutes so I like that. I like to use natural detergents but I see HE detergent everywhere.

    Josephene, those are some really wild problems you are having. I've never seen anything like that with mine. Are you sure the "dry" clothes weren't clean? Mine spin so well that they are pretty dry when I put them in the dryer. And you can re-wash when they are wet - I do it all the time if I accidentally forget a load is in there and need to redo it. Maybe it would be beneficial to have a technician come out?


  • Elmer J Fudd
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    We got a European front loader about a dozen years ago and would never go back to a top loader. Some of the Asian ones are good too, as others have commented. Not only does the detergent box last forever, so too do clothes, because they're not being bashed by an agitator to get clean.

    There's no need to soak clothes when a machine washes capably. Also, there's no cleaner sensation than touching sheets and towels washed at a moderate temp (say 120 degrees). Cottons needing an extra umph can be washed at 140 or 165 and come out sparklingly clean.

    Personally, I think the American brands got left in the dust decades ago by more advanced and progressive foreign designs, but everyone finds what they like best.

    PS - I echo the "dry quickly" comment. My machine spins at up to 1200 rpm, clothes need to spend much less time in the dryer. That saves energy too.

  • emma
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I wash all my clothes on the cool water cycle except my whites. My sheets are white.

  • Alisande
    9 years ago

    These machines sound like the current dishwashers. My dishwasher has "Smart Wash," which is supposed customize the wash cycle depending on what I've loaded into it, but no matter what's in there it always takes 80+ minutes to run the thing.

    Count me as another one who's happy with her basic Speed Queen with manual controls. I have free electricity from 7 to 11 p.m., so I do my laundry between those hours and I'm glad the cycle doesn't take forever. I'm more than happy with the results.

    I'm curious about those of you who have sparkling clothes. My clothes never sparkle, no matter how clean they get. But then I tend to avoid sequins and rhinestones. :-)


  • joaniepoanie
    9 years ago

    I've had an LG HE washer (top loader) and dryer for 3 years now...no problems. Yes, the wash times on a lot of cycles can be long, but since I'm retired and DH works in an office, I generally use the Speedwash cycle....our clothes aren't that dirty to begin with. I can pause to add something.

    Gosh, it seems that the only detergent available now is HE.....I would have to look really hard to find a regular detergent in the store nowadays, so I'm surprised at those having a hard time finding HE.

    I have learned that I really don't use the bells and whistles, so my next set will probably be very basic. I really haven't noticed a big difference between HE and non HE....clothes seem to clean just fine with either.. ...I don't see any particular advantages or disadvantages of one over the other.


  • chisue
    9 years ago

    When we built in 2001 I compared front load washers. I could buy a heavily advertised one with features I would never use for $1200. I could buy *three* basic ones for the same price. I bought one cheap Frigidaire; it failed after a house-sitter overloaded it. I'm on Washer #2 and still ahead of the $1200 cost. My pair are on a raised platform a carpenter built for me. (Those 'pedestals' are overpriced. Who wants a drawer on the floor?)

    I use regular, unscented, granular Tide -- just much less of it. Liquid detergents create a build-up in the washer. Laundry really gets smacked around in a front loader. I use two rinses and put white vinegar in the "softener" compartment for the last rinse. Softeners also create build-up in washers, and on clothes. I just want "clean" and "soap out"; nothing "added in". The spin cycle leaves the wash partially dry and lighter to move into the dryer. (The dryer softens towels, etc. enough for me.) I leave the door ajar to prevent mold from forming inside a sealed, wet environment.

    I have a Maytag washer/dryer stack set with agitator washer at our condo. It cleans well, but uses a LOT of water, and the wash is still very wet after the rinse and spin. The agitator turns my king sheets into ropes that I have to un-twist before loading into the dryer.

  • pekemom
    9 years ago

    I've had mine almost 12 years, it's a Kemore...I find HE detergents at Walmart, just look for the HE somewhere on the bottle.

  • joyfulguy
    9 years ago

    Does the "HE" carry a hint that just possibly, in these days of dually employed partners/householders ...

    ... that the male of the species just might be convinced that he might relate to the washer's statement and, taking ownership of it ...

    ... be corralled into doing the laundry?

    ole joyful

    o j

  • gardenspice
    9 years ago

    Water is expensive here, but luckily, I'm quite happy with my washing machine. We have had a Kenmore HE washer for 12 years and gets clothes cleaner than any top loader I have had in the past. I have not found that I needed to soak anything.


  • nicole___
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I just purchased a new front load Samsung set(5.6 washer, 9.5 gas dryer). LOVE them! I'm using cheap store brand detergent & getting construction worker clothes clean! No more twisted up or shredded high thread count sheets like my old top loaders.

    I didn't give up my GE, no agitator steel drum machine by choice, I put it into my rental. It was noisy. I had to load the clothes in a circle, could only wash a small load, even tho there was a HUGE drum and my clothes smelled strongly of detergent. The Sears top load before that could handle 5 pairs of jeans, but left little dots, a drum imprint, all over the clothes(especially bad on dark colors). It's going on 25 years, being used in my rental, with no history of repairs.

    I can now wash a king sized down alternative comforter.....and it's really clean with no soap residue. YAY! I can also wash twice the laundry in one load! It's an easy machine to use!

  • josephene_gw
    9 years ago

    My washer does not know what to do with wet clothes. Have put in wet towels ran the washer, dried the towels only to find the dog mud still on the towels.

    Washed white things dried put away in drawers only to find they did not come clean.

    The nearest maytag man is 80 miles and $500 away.

    And maytag says they make fewer house calls.

    Tried to ask maytag questions but all they say is that I'm loading the washer wrong. I load by the book says.

  • Marilyn Sue McClintock
    9 years ago

    I have two top loader HE Maytag washers. I like them both. I use my home made laundry detergent in them, the liquid and I use the bulky cycle most of the time. No problem if I forget to put something, just hold down the start button a bit and it unlock, toss in what you need and then hit the start button again and it starts up where it left off. I have a set upstairs and a set downstairs.

    Sue


  • morz8 - Washington Coast
    9 years ago

    Josephine, my Maytag (Bravo X, 700XL2) knows what to do with wet clothes. I use the rinse and spin cycle on DH's jeans most weeks, he can really get muddy. When that cycle is over (20 min) and the rinse water has spun out, I wash them using the 'bulky' setting with deeper water or it may not get residual mud from the inside of the pants legs bottoms. I would not put partially washed clothes dirty into my dryer to only have to clean the dryer.

    I freely admit he can get much dirtier than average laundry. (I've insisted he stand in the garage and strip more than once. No sympathy from me when he tells me he's worked all day and he's tired, he is not coming inside like that ;)) He's hiking off trail 4 days a week for his work in all kinds of weather through all kinds of terrain. Going through beaver ponds and falling off logs. My issue isn't dirty clothes not coming clean like I said above, it's only the amount of time laundry takes.

    We were at his sisters weekend house a while back and I put a load of towels in the older Maytag there, got to listen to the familiar sounds of laundry, big grin on my face. And 25 minutes later I was putting the washed things into the dryer, it was the first time laundry has been fun in a few years.


  • carabubble
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    My HE washer had to be a top-loading model because you're supposed to leave the door on an HE open and my washer/dryer is in a laundry closet.

    Alisande, love your sparkly comment!

    Sounds like several of you use Tide, which is the only HE that my regular grocery store is stocking. Maybe sometime when I'm out of Gain and feeling too lazy to go elsewhere, I'll try Tide.

  • pekemom
    9 years ago

    Correction....above I posted I have a "Kemore", guess everyone knew I meant "Kenmore", as from Sears.....as has been mentioned leave the door slightly ajar when not in use....I've done that from the beginning.