Rexedwardfairy you made me laugh. It's so hard to resist, I'm banning myself next year, but buying perennials instead . So I'm still buying something :) Catspa your RDR of commerce is beautiful..they are so different though, aren't they? I love the button eye. I wonder if any of them have the sixth sepal, and would love to see a picture of it, to compare. I wonder who sells it too. Mine does beautifully here, so far, with no disease what-so-ever and smells heavenly!

"I'm banning myself next year"....

Hmmm.. well we'll see, wont we? I started saying "I"m banning myself next year" in 2011. Took me three years to actually STERN up enough to do it.

But look, you've started the journey Of The Great Rose Banning, and I wish you luck. I expect that you may have managed to actually ban yourself by 2018! Do keep me posted!

Will do! I did say it last year and the year before to my husband, so maybe next year I'll be able to resist! I have almost everything I wanted, so the only thing to temp me would be if one died. We will see though! I'll keep you posted! I figure now I can concentrate on the perennials and finishing everything :)

Oh you are further along in your Great Banning Journey than I realised, alana8asc - been saying it for a few years you have - BRILLIANT. Very good progress. Next year really might the year for you!

Now look: during the ban, don't worry about replacing a rose that dies, that's not even a question; OF COURSE YOU DO, WITHOUT EVEN A THOUGHT. That is, without a thought specifically of combining the purchase with 'just a couple extra roses, since I have to buy this replacement one anyway!". That is indeed dangerous territory while you're on the ban! No exceptions, you are only ALLOWED to replace the rose that died. You are absolutely not allowed to surreptiously add other roses to the order as you replace the rose that died.

But I must say, I am impressed with your Diversion Tactic - into perennials. GOOD MOVE! This will create a bit of solid grounding for you to stay strong in the avoidance of rose purchasing...It's a bit like going from cigarettes to nicobate or something I suppose (not that I really know, being a lifelong nonsmoker!), but I imagine so: its easier to change the focus a little than go all out cold turkey!

And in case you are wondering: you are FULLY ABLE TO ACCEPT RANDOM GIFTS OF ROSES while on the ban. The idea isn't to be rude to generous friends and neighbours who know you love roses. So if you are gifted a rose, while on the ban, it's absolutely fine to accept it. In fact, I've accepted two unexpected gifts of roses while on my own ban...that's okay, the rose ban isn't out to engender bad manners in your good sefl. If gifted a rose, manners prevail OVER AND ABOVE THE BAN and you must accept - graciously. You are not even to mention the ban to the gift-bearer.

Anyway, I think I've set you a pretty straight course to follow - and I'm sure you'll be far too busy buying up 10,000 perennials to get too distracted by roses, anyway! Well, let's hope!

You know what you do when yo run our of space to add fruit trees, you learn to graft.....I hear this works with roses too...

Oh Kippy, this could be good! I've got palm trees, dracaena, murraya... Just graft roses onto em you reckon? oh I love it. It solves all my dilemmas! If I can graft roses onto those palms, I'll be done with those big heavy "self-cleaning" fronds dropping on me from a height of 6m and scaring the bejezus outta me... it'll just be pink and red fragrant rose petals floating down... like a Bollywood movie sorta... Oh yes, much better! And if i ever build up, I'll have roses straight out the window on the second & third floor too. The benefits are limitless!

I think the roses might take better on rose canes....but that would be quite the picture climbing up the palm tree and finding the cambium.

Well, I've been thinking that it might be interesting to graft pieces of Polyanthas onto once-blooming Ramblers. If you found something with similar blooms, you could give the illusion of a repeat-blooming Rambler....sorta. I was considering this for when my 'Baltimore Belle' gets a little bigger -- might look convincing with some 'Marie Pavie' budded up in the tree branches. I mentioned this idea on the thread about 'Veilchenblau', using 'Baby Faurax' to accomplish the illusion.

Just a thought......

:-)

~Christopher

This is such a fun topic! My list is very short compared to most.

From Rogue Valley:

Distant Drums, replacement for the one that died last winter

Smiling Jean, a mini-flora

Chipmunk, mini, a memorial rose (I love its nickname- peanut butter and jelly)

Nurse Donna, mini, a gift for someone who lost it

Clotilde Soupert, 1st choice for my freebie

From ARE:

Eutin, replacement

Del Rio, an impulsive choice that I hope I don't regret

If all goes well, I'll be getting a rooted cutting of Elizabeth of Goshen, also to replace a rose that isn't doing well.

I also want to add Comtesse du Cayla but need to see what I have this spring before I buy anymore.

Ah Chipmunk... that one has been on my wish list for a couple years now. Alas I can't really justify the cost of a phytosanitary certificate for one rose, however!

Sigh - a big fat zero for me. Spotting a wayward deer sauntering up one of the woodland rides certainly clarified the vanishing shrub mystery so I am hanging back to see how the 30 or so already planted manage to survive the munching muntjacs. I never thought I would have to pore over deer resistant lists but I am now getting an accelerated education - far from being cuddly Bambi types, the horrid tusky ones in our wood (thankfully solitary rather than herds) are being re-purposed as .....dinner.

...we get Muntjacs the other side of our 6 foot fence... short stocky creatures, stumpy looking, but I find something rather cute about them... I don't think they can jump that high so not too worried... never saw them before I moved here..... better than having gophers I suppose....or chipmunks,...or coyote's..?... and definitely rattlesnakes...

...I got a 20 percent discount offer from Austin's to use before end of March.... it's tempting... but I'm really full for the moment... I shall think on it...

Some really wonderful roses are being ordered here, but I'm happy as a clam in mud that I'm not ordering one single rose. Well, let me qualify that. If Jesse Hildreth were to become easily available there is no way I could resist. I consider that my dream rose.

Marlorena, you mentioned coyotes. Earlier tonight, around dusk, I was walking my rat terrier and was at the back of the house and my husband, who happened to be looking out the window at the front, saw a coyote coming down the hillside into our yard and trotting toward the area where I was walking with the dog. The drought has decimated a lot of their prey and it was clear that this coyote was after my dog. Only a very hungry coyote would be so fearless as to go after a dog that is with a human being. It's interesting to speculate what would have happened had my husband not spotted him coming towards us.

..that could have been a nasty situation Ingrid, ..you have an alert husband... easy for me to say from here but I've always been a little fond of Coyote's from where I'm looking in... being part of the natural landscape of the U.S.... but like so many creatures...difficult to live with for humans.... and I wouldn't care to get on the wrong side of them......

...I'm not keen on Rottweilers either, despite owning a dog myself, but
they have their uses, as in this short video where one rescues a little
chihuahua from being a coyote's dinner that day... I find this kind of
reactive behaviour so intriguing in animals...

Rottweiler rescues dog

I'm extremely fond of coyotes and we humans, after all, have taken over most of what has been their territory for millennia. This coyote was trying to keep himself alive in the best way he could, and it's inevitable that there will sometimes be unfortunate encounters. Not their fault; there are unfortunately far too many humans on this earth to achieve any kind of balance.

There are not many coyotes that can stand up to a Rottweiler! Glad he was there to defend his little friend. Unfortunate that people would let a small dog like that outside in coyote territory. Ours is always on a leash with a human at the other end, although that didn't deter this very desperate coyote.

Mostly some Austins recommended by a British article for having good continuity.

I think there are more coyotes in the US now than there were when Europeans first settled here. The population grew and expanded after wolves were cleared out of most states.

:-)

~Christopher

Coyotes are one of those animals that adapt well to urbanization. They survive quite nicely on the fringes and take advantage of human wastefulness. Their populations are at an all time high, as a matter of fact - as you know, they constitute one of the major problems for the continued survival of the American red wolf population. That's not to say that they don't merit respect or protection. Unfortunately it does translate into encounters that are dangerous for us, our pets, and the coyotes themselves. I agree Ingrid - not their fault and we are nowhere near in balance with the rest of the natural world. Their population boom is as much a response to humanity-created conditions as is the decline of the wolf. We as a species wreak havoc!

Coyotes have finally reached Long Island in recent years. We don't have a breeding population, but isolated individuals here and there. It's only a matter of time I guess. I wonder if they'll help keep down the feral cat populations...

In other news, I think I finally finalized my rose orders. I've cancelled and changed things so many times, I'm sure the rose vendors are sick of seeing my phone number on the caller id. Here's what I'm getting.

Heirloom Roses:

Comte de Chambord, Pretty Jessica

David Austin Roses:

Princess Ann, Wollerton Old Hall, Susan Williams-Ellis

Roses Unlimited:

Crocus Rose, Cl Clotilde Soupert, Earth Song

Rogue Valley Roses:

Golden Buddha, The Faun

Chamblees:

Marie Pavie, Queen of Sweden, Belinda's Dream, Golden Fairy Tale

These roses are a lot more modern than I ever would have expected from me, but after buying numerous antique, once bloomers, I'm looking for healthy repeat bloomers to mix in.

-Chris

^such exciting roses.....

...and I had no idea Coyote's were so widespread...and actually increasing in number... that surprised me I must say...

We began re-building the gardens here in Lynchburg at the Burkholder House, 1874-1875, last fall with a first planting of: 6, Perle de Jardins; 2, Natchitoches Noisette; and 2, cl. Moonlight. For 2015 additions are: 6, Dr. Grill; 3, G. Nabonnand; 3, Madame Lombard and 2, yet to be determined. I'm looking for recommendations for new sources beyond ARE. I'm looking for unusual and rare from 1800 to 1900 for the garden. Any trusted source suggestions? They shall be appreciated. Have a great garden season. Best Regards... W Tag

Since my post in February I've also ordered John Cabot & Pretty Jessica.

Embothrium,

I would love to know what those Austins are. Can you list them, please?

W Tag,

IMO, Your query needs a separate post. I think you will get quite a bit more input that way.

"I'm looking for unusual and rare from 1800 to 1900 for the garden. Any
trusted source suggestions? They shall be appreciated. Have a great
garden season. Best Regards... W Tag"

Hi William, I would suggest you try Greenmantle Nursery in California: Greenmantle Nursery roses

It may be a bit late in the year however for Greenmantle--many of the most rare varieties may already be sold out.

R. pomifera and Suzanne arrived safely on February 27. Here is Suzanne with a new baby friend this afternoon.

ok, since my last post I have placed a few more orders, because apparently I have no self control. The more recent additions are:

Madame Alfred Carriere (a little nervous about training her, she's a big girl)

Distant Drums

Gourmet Popcorn

Golden Wings

Lyda Rose (x2)

Blueberry Hill

Baby Love (mini)

Charlotte

Darlow's Enigma

Ambridge

Darcy Bussell (own root to replace my grafted plant)

Lady Emma Hamilton (own root to replace my grafted plant)

Dark Desire

Saint Patrick

Iceberg (x2)

Several of these are going in at my Dad's house, but they will really be under my care. I am excited that I will have a place I can grow roses like Darlow's Enigma that get way too big for my own tiny yard. I wish I had more room for some of the larger antique varities (Blush Noisette or Madame Hardy or most species roses for example), alas I have to choose things that I can keep within the 3-4' wide bounds, anything larger than that is too much rose for my yard. Maybe I'll get a Blush Noisette or Madame Hardy for his yard too so I can enjoy them there, they are so lovely.

My Blush Noisette is looking like she will be rather happy in the garden. So far she is bigger than Mel's Heritage and Marie Van Houte............ But they are all babies and Mel is looking very happy

Well, I did it, I placed one more order for the year because I had a couple on my wishlist that I really wanted, and I am hoping for them to be somewhat matured by the time my fence gets installed (or at least that is what I am telling myself) I want to completely line the interior of my backyard fence with roses and perennials (with a little space somewhere for sunflowers) I am not sure yet if we are going to be able to afford the lovely wooden privacy fence that I want, so if we do have to settle for a chainlink fence, at least it will make an excellent support for any dangling rose branches, and I will have a gorgeous privacy screen for most of the year.

I placed an order with Antique Rose Emporium instead of adding a few more to my already extensive order with Roses Unlimited, because they do not have Happenstance, and that is one I really have my eye on, it is a miniature sport of Mermaid, a rose that I could never in a million years have in my garden because of it's size, but Happenstance capures the simple beauty of it's blooms, but on a smaller scale, with adorable minature foliage that will make a gorgeous filler in a bouquet. I have read that if you let this rose go completely it can get very large as a climber, but you can also keep it very compact trimmed as a small shrub, I love that it is so adaptable & I hope I can successfully bend it to my will as successfully as those who have written about it on various blogs, the fact that it is a child of Mermaid makes me nervous, but we'll just see how it goes.

so my last order of the year (hopefully):

Happenstance

Madame Antoine Mari

Cramoisi Superior

Dame de Coeur

Blush Noisette (I just had to have it, we'll see how she does in terms of size, I read a few experiences on HMF that gave me hope for a controlled shrub)

I am just so excited for spring!!

Taking it easy on rose bands this Spring, only ordering a Viking Queen, a Buff Beauty and another Annie Lauren McDowell.

I ended up with

Sombreuil

Secret Garden Musk

Marie Pavie

Felicia

Cornelia

Soleil D'Or (for my daughter, whose middle name is Soleil. I hope I can manage this notoriously tricky rose. Really, they'll suit each other.)

Bubblebath

Greenmantle

Therese Bugnet

Roseraie de L'Hay

Lastly and unexpectedly, Vineyard Song. Why did I do that?

Moonstone

Viking Queen placed order today

plus 6 roses from Roses Unlimited to be delivered at the end of March

Julia's Rose & Incognito in April

I just added on a Harlekin yeaterday, it looks pretty and is hardy for zone 6a......and just added more this morning Jasmina, Laguna, Pearly Gates and Gruss An Achen.

Talking about coyotes, be careful. Years ago one Canadian singer was killed by a pack of 3 coyotes, she was hiking in a national park......we have some around here in the suburbs not in packs. I have big dogs-Komondors, they can take down coyotes, but I still carry pepper spray with me when I walking the dogs at night. Coyote fur coat is the warmest coat, I wear it when it's really cold-under 15 F.

I was "absolutely sure" that I would not be adding another rose (how many times have I said that before?) but then unexpectedly took out my large Mutabilis, leaving a horridly naked spot in the most prominent spot in the garden. I'll be filling that with Blush Noisette and Aloha that I ordered from the Antique Rose Emporium.

Helen, loved your comment about Soleil d'Or!

Thanks! The sugar and spice thing is bogus. I keep thinking of roses I wanted and didn't get. Annie Laurie McDowell, Gertrude Jekyll, darlow's enigma, r. Primula.... It's so fun to have a new yard to plant in!

I want to see Jasmina and jubilee celebration and young lycidas in person! I require some of those highly fragrant hostas, Venus and Aphrodite!

I keep telling myself I have to save some roses to pick out next winter, but I'm so greedy it's almost painful.

Edmund's Roses has Jasmina on sale for $16.95 (bare root).

Does she prefer to climb, summersrhythm?

I've seen Jasmina in person, Helen, and it definitely is a climber.

Not planning to add anything this year. However, today I got Bouquet d'Or in the ground. It's not where I had planned to place it, but it is in a spot that only meant moving two established plants and one path.

I now have No Pot Ghetto At All.

Jasmina is a climber like Ingrid said.

Ok, so I might have succumbed to the end of bare root season sale prices, and added Mme Antoine Mari, and Munstead Wood. Plus my local greengrocer had some healthy bodybags so I also added Many Happy Returns, Orange Sensation, and Mr Lincoln. That is definitely it for this year, don't have many spaces left and everywhere is sold out of the roses earmarked for them. Next year's order planning commencing in 3, 2, 1, now!

I hope y'all are ready for my list! For two years, I've been 'on hold' while the planning and implementing of a huge construction job in my yard. I had to dig up a lot of my roses, didn't dare plant any and of course kept 'collecting'. Now the work is done and I have a lot more room. Plus with experience, I know what I want. I also lost a lot of roses between the Polar Vortexes and some that I dug up did not survive. I've also decided to get back into Hybrid Teas in a big way, I like exhibiting and doing arrangements, and they are the best for that. I also want to start with minis, so I'm stocking up on them.

Ordered from Palantine, on multiflora, just came two weeks ago:

Double Delight (was to replace mine that I thought was dead, but it's still alive, I dug it up and am keeping it in a pot)

Gemini (I had this years ago, but it didn't make it)
Pope John Paul II
Rainbow Niagara (this is aka Tropical Sunset, which I lost last winter)
Dainty Bess
Paradise
Razzle Dazzle
Dark Desire
Lucille Ball

From Rogue Valley, caused by a thread on GW about buds and sepals...

Won Fang Yon
Cesoine
Bella Donna
Leda
Nuits de Young
Mystery Rose

Ordered from a local nursery, will have in April:

Dick Clark
New Zealand
Moonstone
Munstead Wood
St. Patrick (had this, loved it, lost it)

Picked up at the DSD Mid-Winter Meeting:

Mrs. BR Cant (replacement)
Tradescant (on Fortuniana, a replacement)
Randy Scott (also on fort)
Magnificent (also on fort)
Glowing Amber (mini)

Mini-Floras from Kroger:

Flawless
Powerhouse
Patron
Ambiance

Classic HTs from Home Depot:

Chrysler Imperial
Pink Peace
Tropicana
Gene Boerner (floribunda)

Chamblees order through my Rose Society:

Darcey Bussell (already blooming!)
Southern Peach (mini-flora)
Deja Blue (mini-flora)
Mrs. BR Cant
Crepescule (replacement for one that didn't survive being dug up)
Loretta Lynn Van Lear (already has buds and they look amazing)
Pearle d'Or (this one I bought 2 years ago but haven't been able to plant yet)

Burlington Roses, bought last year, still in pots

Power Point Miniflora
Merlot Mini
Orange Parfait Mini
Jean Kennerly Mini
Irresistible Mini
Twilight Zone (I think this one is gone, I will have to get another one)

Additional ones I picked up here and there, many from my rose group

Queen Elizabeth Shrub
Blumenschmidt
Madame Plantier (2)
Homere
Nastarana
Swamp Rose
Mutabilis
Cramoisi Superieur
Alnwick Castle
Tess of the Dubervilles
JFK
Ballerina (replacement, lost to RRD)
Reve d'Or (replacement lost to RRD)

It sounds like a lot, it IS a lot. If you add in the roses I had that I had to dig up, it's over 70. But I am getting three new beds and I have most of the spots planned. If I don't get them all planted this year, it's not a huge deal.

Wish me luck!

Almost forgot! I have a bunch of roses that we dug up from a fellow members garden. He went into assisted living and wanted his roses to go to members. In addition to the Reve d'Or and Ballerina, I have Madame Hardy (didn't think it was going to make it, but it's putting on new growth) Polka, a climber that I will give to another member. The rest I have no idea what they are! That will be the fun in seeing them bloom and identifying them based on his lists (unfortunately the tags were gone). I know one is a rugosa from the foiliage. I'm just not sure which one.

Hmm, I am really behind you guys on this. I am still "editing" my list of hundreds of roses for my postage stamp yard. I need to work harder lol.

You're probably not as far behind as you feel. Even after finding homes for MANY roses before the move, AND having to leave many behind due to time and room, there are still many to process out back as well as MANY seeds to plant ASAP. I used 24 cuft of potting soil this week. I have 42, empty five gallon cans; 200+ (I quit counting at 200, and there are more) one gallon seedlings and propagations requiring upsizing into two gallon cans (no empty twos at present); 70, two gallon plants requiring upsizing into fives and about a dozen five gallon plants demanding upsizing into sevens. And, I've used all the soil, which means it's time for a Costco run. I traded the steep hill with small level area for a bit larger than the former level area, but it's all level with access from the drive and street so I can roll things in and out and there are MANY linear feet of fencing and block wall upon which to plant climbers...once much regrading, tree clearing and mechanical soil preparation are complete. Still feel "behind"? LOL! Good luck! Kim

Need any more pots Kim? I still have a couple of roses from Kim's that need to get in the ground, but the location is not ready and I am lost in a massive project. But I need a garden day, so I am going to do that one day this week.

I found a local nursery which was happy to pass on about seventy, five gallon cans (which is where the empties I have at the moment came from. I've fill the others with upsized plants and filled the resulting twos). Yes ma'am, definitely! Thank you! Now, it's a matter of getting down there to pick them up... There are a few stores we need to check out in Goleta, so it appears to be more easily doable. I'll email you to arrange the details. Thank you! Kim

email me the size you want and I will see what I can get. (twos are hard)

I've ordered 8 new roses (so far), and after reading this thread, I am (First) glad that I am not the only one with this addiction to never having enough roses in my garden! And (second) Maybe it's a good thing after all that I don't live within driving distance of any of those nurseries!

NONE!

What? None? Is your garden full? There must be room for at least one more! How about a climber?