Hi MrsPete,

The Kohler website has links to .pdfs showing dimensions for both sinks. I linked the one for the 45 below.

I have the 33 used as a prep/pot cleaning sink. It works great (the non-shelf part is ~20") but if it were the only sink in the kitchen I probably would want the 45.

The cutting board indeed is very heavy. Someone recently posted a thread about some IKEA accessories that can be used.

Haven't even opened the boxes with the other accessories, so couldn't say.

Good luck!

Here is a link that might be useful: Stages 45 dimensions (page 2)

Excellent information -- and so quick!

I'm most happy to learn the dimensions of the shelf and bowl. This has convinced me that the 45" is the right choice.

I'm glad to see the details of your set-up. I definitely like the trash can placement, and I hadn't considered under-the-sink previously. I assume you have a garbage disposal under there too?

And I'm glad to see a colander that works with this sink; I've seen those for sale . . . somewhere, so I know I can come up with one. I am glad to hear that other accessories work well.

I agree that a faucet that can spray to all four corners of the sink is a necessity -- but how does one stand in front of all the choices at Lowes and KNOW which ones can do that? Probably a stupid question!

Thank you both for your information! It was valuable to me!

Yes, my disposal is on the left. I had my DH install it as far back as possible so I could install the short drawer in front for my cleaning supplies. I have two pull-outs under in the 36" sink cab - very convenient.
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You'll be able to find all the specs for the faucets you're looking at online. You will have more selection and sale pricing at the on-line stores vs Lowes. overstockdeals has 15% off for those that sign up for their email alerts.

That shorty cabinet is a great idea. I don't keep a great stock of cleaning products -- I choose basics and use them for everything.

This space could also be good for trash bags.

Another thought:

No one has mentioned the under-cabinet organizer that is designed to hold the accessories.

Like it? Hate it?

bbtrix:

I love the pic with your kitchen helper looking on! I have 2 Ragdolls that like to sit on the counter stools watching me prepare dinner or clean up. So nice to look over and see them keeping me company.

Mrs Pete, most of us have decided not to use the under-cabinet organizer and instead to put drawers under that section. I keep the accessories in a wide toekick drawer and they fit very nicely in that shallow drawer.

Can't use the accessory organizer if you notch two cabinets instead of a large custom cab. We had to cut it off. I prefer the drawers too. I did put it to use to organize my tray storage in my large over fridge cab so no waste.

Zwizzle, isn't that true! She loves sitting at the counter watching, especially when I'm preparing tuna steaks or salmon. She's always sitting on the stools because she's protected from her brother, 75 lb chocolate lab pup! He is always underfoot on the stove side while I cook, nose sliding along the edge of the counter checking out what I'm cooking. It can be humorous watching me cook around them.

My conclusions, having read this and studied photographs:

- The accessory thing doesn't seem to be particularly well designed because you'd have to lift out the 6 small bowls to reach the large tray AND it doesn't account for the cutting board.

- It would be cheaper to use the accessory shelf, since it's included in the sink price anyway.

- The built-in shelves (or, in one picture I saw, a pull-out trash can) are a little nicer because you can access items in one pull . . . rather than opening a cabinet and pulling the accessories forward. But they would require a bit of custom cabinetry, which would cost more.

Are my conclusions correct?

And more questions -- I'm full of them, but I'm appreciative of the answers, and I'm using them to form my opinions and make decisions!

- Are y'all installing drawers under the shallow step in STANDARD HEIGHT cabinets? I ask because I read one thread about putting a dishwasher underneath -- but the owners had used a taller cabinet. I'm not quite 5' tall, and I do not want to add even an inch to my cabinet height.

- Why would you use two 24" cabinets instead of buying one 48"? I'm guessing you'd already ordered cabinets when you chose this sink.

- I read about two people who'd used a Dremel tool to cut the hooks from underneath the sink (to allow for drawers). This is do-able without any damage to the sink? Does this void any type of warranty?

You can change any cabinet door into a pullout trash using either Ikea or rev a shelf components, I think it is well worth it for the convenience.

{{gwi:2136925}}I have standard height cabinets . The top drawer under the shallow part of the stages sink either needs to have the walls notched or be built with side walls that are not full height. i have the latter but have seen both. See picture above to compare the side walls of the top drawer with the ones below. I have not cut the hooks off my Stages sink since it does not seem to affect function of the top drawer.

Here is an in-process picture of the trash pullout under the deep part of the sink alongside the drawer stack under the shallow part of the sink. You can see how the wall between the two parts is cut down to accommodate the shallow shelf. BTW that big metal contraption on the front wall is the soft close tip out hinge.
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I would prefer a 36 inch cabinet plus a 15 inch cabinet for total 51 inches instead of a 48 inch cabinet. The walls between the 36 inch and the 15 inch cabinet would only have to be cut a little to accommodate the shallow part of the sink and a 15 inch drawer stack has significantly more usable space than a 12 inch drawer stack. Ditch the organizer or use it above the fridge to organize trays as bbtrix did.

Mrs. Pete, the direction you go with the cabinets is up to you and how you'd like your sink command center to function. Cost can be a factor depending on your cabinet source and the customization you choose. Scrappy's beautiful cabinets are custom and mine are DIY Ikea. I used a 36 and 24. Most Stages users have given a lot of thought to the storage functions and have researched as you are. You really can do whatever your pocketbook allows.

My cabinets are standard height too. Here's a shot looking down at the notched sides.
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The reason the poster with the DW raised it is because the DW was too tall to make it work. Others that have installed the DW under the shelf made sure the DW they chose would fit. That is when you have to cut off the hooks. I was mistaken, DH did not need to cut ours.
I chose to do pullout drawers because I did already have the 24" cab. It was my original sink cabinet. Believe it or not, I originally only allowed for such a tiny sink. I redesigned my island during the build when I realized how important the sink is. I converted it by ordering the drawers and new hinges.
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I keep all the accessories in the first drawer and rarely need to pull it out; I just reach in. There is room on the bottom for the walnut and other cutting boards.
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Here is how I use the included shelves in the large, over the fridge cab. It works for me.
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So, your conclusions are correct. Most of use prefer two cabinets so we can customize storage but it would be cheaper to use the included storage.

Excellent information -- no surprises, just clarifications and confirmation of what I'd already believed. Thanks, this is very helpful, especially the photographs.

I am set on the sink . . . a trash pull-out under the shallow shelf . . . two cabinets joined together so that the trash pull-out doesn't have to be tiny-narrow . . . and moving the included shelf to above the refrigerator. It looks like a decent organizer, just not something for that prime under-sink location.

And -- hear ye, hear ye -- I hereby coin a new word, as yet unknown to kitchen planners: From this moment on, I declare that people who are using this sink shall be referred to as . . . stagers.

Thanks, all.

I'm glad we've been a help to you in your design process!

"I declare that people who are using this sink shall be referred to as . . . stagers." This made me chuckle because I think of that all the time before I start to cook, "how will I stage tonight?" I'm sure that is where the name originated since you have so many options available to set your prep stage depending on what you're cooking.

Welcome, fellow stager!

stager- love it!

I would encourage you though to put the pullout trash under the half of the deep part of the sink that does not have the drain hole. That will allow you a drawer bank under the shallow part of the sink, much more utility. The 36 inch part of the cabinet is under the deep part of the sink and the partially included drawer bank is under the shallow part of the sink.
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Agreed. It will hold two good sized trash containers.

Okay . . . I'm thinking about it. My plan for under the sink was, um . . . stuff. Yeah, stuff. Maybe some junk. Okay, maybe not my best laid plan.

I was thinking that in that under-sink position you'd have to have a "shorty trash can", not a full sized can that'd hold a tall kitchen bag.

I just tried to measure my own trash can, but it's a fancy model with a step-on pedal and a dog-get-outta-here locking lid. Yeah, when you get a Beagle, it should come with one of these trash cans 'cause you're gonna need one soon enough. It's about 25" tall and definitely wouldn't fit under the sink, but you would never put a locking trash can in a pull-out.

Then I measured my current kitchen cabinet, which I can only assume is standard size, and it seems I'd be able to use a trash can maybe 20" tall. Is that about what y'all are able to use in that spot?

And you have space for two of them back-to-back?

Scrappy, you said you'd prefer a 36" + a 15", and I understand why -- is that what I'm looking at in your white cabinet picture, or is that the recommended 48"? It appears to me to be one cabinet.

Thanks for answering what must seem like rookie questions to you!

Scrappy and I both have two trash cans back-to-back on the right side of the 36" base. Each trash can can be about 19x10x15. Mine is shorter. I keep trash in the front and recycle in the back. There is also room for additional rolls of bags, deodorizes, etc. I have the shorty on the left side of the 36" base.
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You can choose whatever size for the cabinet to the right of the 36" base - whatever works for your kitchen and needs. Scrappy has a 15" and I have a 24". Scrappy's is custom and appears as one cab (Sigh, I drool over her beautiful cabinetry). You can tell mine are separate cabinets but that wasn't vital to me.

I have been re-sketching my sink run layout thinking that I will get a stages 45. At this point I'm thinking I will get a 48 inch cabinet to house it for two reasons: (1) my sink will be the first thing seen when entering the kitchen from the dining room and it will be centered on some nice new windows, as well as the doorway, so I want the cabinet to be centered as well (this also pays off in a 36 inch drawer cabinet on one side--woohoo) and (2) I plan to put a bunch of stuff under there. Lol.

Here's my tentative stuff plan. On the shallow side, convert the door to a pull out to hold a trash and recycling bin. On the other side, where the drain will be, I plan a compost bin attached to the door and a small laundry basket to hold dirty kitchen rags, dish towels and cloth napkins.

I've been lurking here, following along on this. I do think this sink rocks. However, I wonder, do you find it difficult to have the garbage basically dead in the center of the sink? It seems like it would be more functional for the prep'er and other coming to use the garbage for it to be on one end or the other?

IMO, no it's not at all. In fact, preferred. I can pull it out a few inches and push trash right in. If two are prepping, it's in the middle. If DH needs to toss something while I'm prepping, he can pull it out just a tad and not bother me. With the ability to "stage" where you're prepping, you can easily scoot your prep board over and continue if someone really needs to have it fully open.

We've not found any issues with our setup, whether it's prep, cleanup, or entertaining. My previous double sink was nothing but a cluster *. We were always in each other's way.

Mrs Pete, I designed the cabinets holding the sink to be 36 + 15 inches but since Dutchwood is full custom they combined the cabinets to reduce wasted space and to allow the wide 45 inch toekick drawer underneath. That perfectly fits the Kohler accessories and a few extra cutting boards.
{{gwi:2136932}}The divider between the "sink base" and the drawer stack is exactly where the wall would have been between the 36+15 inch cabinets.

I found this picture in my pinterest files of someone who did 36' + 12 " for their Stages 45 sink. The Ikeafans website link no longer works so I will post it here with the words that I copied out of the post. As bbtrix said, you can use almost any width drawer stack under the shallow side of the sink.
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I agree with bbtrix that the center of the sink is the perfect place for the trash. It allows two cooks, one on each side of the sink, or coming from elsewhere in the kitchen to use the trash and the trash drawer is usually open only about 10 inches the whole time we are prepping, since we do not need to access the recycle portion in the back during prepping. Previously, I had a trash mounted on a swing out door and that could not be left open while working at the sink so it was a royal PITA for two cooks or even one cook.
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I actually thought the trash cans were too large at first since I like smaller grocery bags so that the bags are replaced before they get stinky. I solved this by stashing my spare grocery bags under the current trash and the spare paper bags in front of the recycle trash.The front plastic can is about 17 tall x 14 wide x 10 deep at the top.
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I've lurked on here quite a lot and shamelessly stolen the wonderful ideas I've seen in the lovely kitchens you all have created! We are in the details phase of our upcoming remodel (kitchen, master suite, plus two additional bathrooms - and a 'freshen up' of the lower level. Yes, we're insane - lol!) Our project is set to start in two months.

I've already settled on the Stages 45 sink and cannot wait to put it to use! My task right now is to finalize my plan for pull-outs, etc. Here is what I have so far for the area around the sink:

The plan shows cupboards left of the dishwasher, but I'm pretty sure I want drawers.

By paper-towel drawer I mean something like this:

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... and by "pull out for knife block" I mean something like this:

DH thinks I'm crazy taking notes when I'm cooking and pretending things are in places they are not (yet!) to figure out if where I'm intending things to go will really work for us.

For those who've been down the kitchen-remodel road before - how does this look so far?

Jazzyzgurl, you will probably get more responses if you start your own thread. People who are not Stages-obsessed may not read to the bottom!

Thank you, amyfgib! I felt guilty after I posted here, not wanting to hijack the thread. I took your recommendation and started a new thread :)

But as long as this thread was resurrected, I will add this: While many don't use the heavy cutting board, I find that I just leave it in place most of the time. I use it multiple times of day for all sorts of little tasks. When I need the shallow shelf I can either scoot the cutting board over or take it out. It does have a home under the sink, I just don't put it there often. So handy!

P.S. This is a Hansgrohe faucet from Costco that covers all corners of this sink. It's very splashy. I wouldn't do it again. In a previous large sink we had a $125 faucet from Home Depot that was great and didn't get me all wet. I may get annoyed enough to replace this one eventually.