Hi chiflicka,

I have the model similar to the one you are considering. Mine is PG8080i 220V .... and yes, it was worth every penny. Both units are integrated; the one you are considering being fully integrated. I chose mine because I like the industrial look of appliances and I wanted the control panel visible on the front of the unit. Neither unit comes with a front panel, so you will have to have one made with your cabinet material or order a stainless panel from Miele, which is what I did.

Your unit has interior lighting and the upper cutlery tray; mine does not. Your unit is marketed toward the high-end consumer kitchen; mine is marketed toward office kitchens/commercial settings.

Both units have essentially the same features and number/types of cycles. Other than the differences previously noted, the cycles are identical EXCEPT the "sanitize" cycle. On your model, the final sanitizing rinse is limited to 158 F, suitable for residential sanitation per NSF guidelines. On my unit, the final rinse is 185 F, suitable for commercial NSF guidelines.

My unit arrived with a black, 4 prong cord (identical to an electric dryer cord) attached as well as a braided stainless steel water supply hose and a drain hose with the proper flair to attach to a garbage disposal drain stub. I did have a Miele tech install my unit as Miele's directions are almost impossible to understand.

Mine is connected to hot water but you can connect to cold as well. I chose hot as it speeds the cycle up even more.

In spite of the cost, I would buy it again in a heartbeat. Everything comes out clean every time. One caveat: you cannot use pacs/tabs. The cycles are too short for them to dissolve properly and ain't that a great problem to have!

Any other questions, feel free to ask away!

Markb-
Thanks so much for your detailed response!

Glad to hear you're happy with your dishwasher.
I do have a few more questions.

Do you use this dishwasher in your home or in a commercial setting?
How long does a cycle actually take in real life?
Does that include drying time?
Do you usually use the normal cycle or the ProSpeed cycle?
Does the ProSpeed cycle really get dishes clean?
How long have you had your dishwasher?
Has it required any repairs/service calls?
Which detergent have you had the best success with?

I so appreciated you sharing your experience!

You're welcome! Happy to answer your questions.

"Do you use this dishwasher in your home or in a commercial setting?"

I use this dishwasher in my home. We were in the process of doing a gut remodel, like you. I had planned on installing two dishwashers, one on either side of the sink but there was a heating/cooling duct where one of the dishwashers would be installed and combined with a slab floor in a MCM home, moving the duct would be a costly endeavor.

"How long does a cycle actually take in real life?"

It depends. How's that for an answer? These units are designed to work properly with anything from 208-240V. In other words, power (voltage) varies widely throughout the US and how fast it runs depends on the voltage at your location. There are also some user programmable modifiers that can either shorten or lengthen a cycle. The following cycle times are the unit "out of the box", no modifiers, at my location AND connected to a hot water supply.

ProSpeed: usually around 19 min.
Universal (normal): about 32 min.
Pots/Pans (intensive): about 45 min.

"Does that include drying time?"

No. Don't let that scare you. These cycles are designed for fast throughput. At the end of the cycle you crack open the door and allow the dishes to "flash-dry". That takes less than 5 minutes and the dishes will be dry, ready to put away and ready to start another cycle. If you have more time and are not in need of running another cycle, you can activate the drying function with a button on the control panel. This will activate the Turbo-thermic drying fan for about 20 minutes and the door will "auto-open" at the end.

"Do you usually use the normal cycle or the ProSpeed cycle?"

I use them both. I use the "ProSpeed" when I'm prepping for a party or cleaning up afterward. My dishwasher is located close to the end of a cabinet run and I just leave the door open and the racks partially extended when I'm prepping. As I finish with bowls, saucepans, etc., I load in the unit. When it's full, close the door and start. Everything is clean in minutes and ready to use to prepare something else. I essentially do it the same way for after party clean-up. I use the "Universal" cycle for normal, everyday loads.

"Does the ProSpeed cycle really get dishes clean?"

Indeed it does. I wouldn't use it for two day old dried on stuff but using it like I stated above, everything comes out spotless.

"How long have you had your dishwasher?"

It's been installed and running for about thirteen months. It took FOREVER to get it because I think I was one of the first to purchase one and they weren't readily available then.

"Has it required any repairs/service calls?"

None. I believe Miele is providing a five year extended warranty at no charge for residential installs.

"Which detergent have you had the best success with?"

Most powdered detergents are utterly worthless since the manufacturers have removed phosphates. There have been numerous complaints regarding powder residue and film buildup on dishes and glassware. I initially used "Bubble Bandit" that I purchased thru Amazon because it has phosphates. It worked fairly well but over time, coffee and tea stains were evident in our cups. I saw an infomercial for Oxiclean dishwasher crystals and bought some on a whim. Cleans perfectly, no residue, and removed coffee and tea stains. Who knew?

I hope I answered your questions. Don't hesitate to ask others if you need clarification.

Thanks again for all the detailed information.
You've been so helpful.
Now I feel comfortable moving forward and buying the Miele Futura Profiline PG8083SCVI 220V.
We have several really good appliance stores in our area
but none of them were able to give me as much information as you have.
We even have a Miele showroom in the area.
They were the least helpful of all.
You should do Miele sales training!

I felt the same. Miele staff in the show room know no more than what is on the website and do not know the world outside of Miele either, so they are pretty much useless to people who already have done their homework.

Glad I could help. Miele USA is utterly worthless when it comes to accurate information regarding any of their appliances; same goes for the Miele Professional division. I made a number of calls to corporate both here and across the pond and sadly, most phone calls were never returned.

Miele does manufacture great appliances but if ANY other manufacturer made a comparable unit, I would have purchased from them out of sheer frustration.

There is NO excuse for Miele employing ill-informed staff.

markb,
May I ask what kind of china you place in your dishwasher? I am wondering whether the combination of fast cycle, Oxiclean crystals, and high heat has damaged your dishes in any way.

I want one of those PG dishwashers! While my Bosch only takes 55 to 90 minutes to complete its cycles, 45 minutes is even better. And I could program extra rinses or more water for crystal clear rinses.

Anyway, china will survive even 167F cycles as long as the pattern is protected by a layer of glaze. I washed fancy Rosenthal dishes for years that way - never a problem. Cheap plates lost their (unprotected) pattern eventually, though.

Does the PG have automatic bulk detergent dispensing? Maybe you can get some pro detergent to work with your dishwasher?

Alex

"May I ask what kind of china you place in your dishwasher? I am wondering whether the combination of fast cycle, Oxiclean crystals, and high heat has damaged your dishes in any way."

Virtually all china is dishwasher safe IF everything is covered by a glaze. For those items that are banded with gold or platinum on TOP of the glaze, the "China/Crystal" cycle is temp limited to 122F for both wash/rinse and the cycle is even shorter than the "ProSpeed."

"Does the PG have automatic bulk detergent dispensing?"

Yes it does, however I chose not to do this because of the extra expense, giving up valuable cabinet real estate, and the messy maintenance required for auto DOS.

I am considering a 220V Futura Profiline PG8083SCVI as well. The above is *so* helpful, thank you. I had a couple more questions to ask: how loud is it? and how well does it dry plastics (like tupperware?

hi matsutake and chiflicka, i wanted to ask to see if both of you eventually purchased your Miele dishwasher and how you like it so far. I am also interested in the Miele pg8083 dishwasher but cant seem to get any informative help from the website or any of our dealers here in Hawaii. May i also ask where you purchased them from because my dealers here said that they don't sell the commercial grade Mieles to homeowners. Also too after some research and good advice from other posters is the main difference between the $3700 and the $5000 just the commercial grade? My interest in this particular model is the fast cycle times as that makes more sense to me than having two regular dishwashers that take a good 2hrs to complete their cycles. Thank you.

hi markb...i would also appreciate any other comments you would like to share with me about your Miele dishwasher. Its been while since the last post on this thread so maybe Im missing some info about current new models or any new improvements from older models before i make this purchase. Thank you.

Hi 80810snut, we did not buy the pro dishwasher. We bought the Miele Futura Lumen G6505 SCi residential model and we love it. The Express cycle is quite fast and it is what we use almost exclusively. It runs 38 min and includes drying. Plastics come out 80% dry and if we leave it sit (the door opens to vacate heat) they are really almost dry. We do rinse out dishes and use liquid Cascade gel dishwater detergent not tabs. There is an option to run Express with a short option which reduces wash speed to a mere 23 minutes for us, but this does not include drying. That is plenty fast for our purposes and at less than half the pro version's cost.

The dishwasher we bought is now discontinued but AJ Madison has a link to the replacement.

https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/G6505SCI.html

I do not see the express program on the replacement instead they offer the "quick intense wash" which may be a little longer. They do however still offer the short option which removes drying from the "quick intense wash" like it did with "express"

Hope this helps

Hi Matsutake,

Yes thank you for your helpful reply. It seems to me after reading through this great site Miele is the leading choice when it comes to dishwashers. A friend of mine have two dishwashers and swears by them but seems like she really doesn't have the time/need to unload and put dishes away because of that convenience. She has admitted that they are basically added cabinet space for her to store her dishes and that works for her family. I'd prefer to put my dishes away soon after the dish cycle is done.

May i ask why you decided on the futura lumen instead of the futura 8083? if given the choice without any budget or "overkill for home use" concerns would you have purchased the commercial grade option instead or is there something else that made you decide against it? Thank you.

Hi 80810snut,

I didn't see any benefit to the commercial machine given our usage: we wanted drying because we unload the dryer into our cabinets. The pro-speed cycle plus drying time = express cycle time on the residential machine. So, for our dishwasher there was no difference in timing on a program that included drying.

Yes, 2K vs. 5K was also a big consideration. Even if I was saving 20 min. per day, I wouldn't pay the extra 3K given how we do dishes usually: after dinner and don't unload until after an hour of TV, so an extra 10-20 minutes didn't seem to make any difference and the cost is astronomical. In a commercial setting with continuous use the extra $$ makes sense, but we're usually doing 1 load a day, maybe 2 max except for special occasions. For special occasions (lots of cooking) I can do an express short load in 23 minutes... that's 4 minutes longer than the equivalent load on the 8083. I decided I could deal with an extra 4 minutes *shrug*. IOW 3K>4 minutes.

Also, repairs: I figured if anything went wrong I would be able to more easily find residential repairpeople who knew the residential units.

Hope the above helps.

I understand... thank you very much for your help. I’m still on the fence about the commercial model for our usage it take your comments into consideration. Thank you again.

Thank you everyone for all the info. Does anyone have their meile dishwasher under a laminate counter top. I have heard that the steam can warp the laminate.

I just bought a Bosch and paid to have it delivered and installed. What a disappointment. The dishes are mostly clean and very wet even on extra dry. So I am going to replace it with a PG 8080 i Does anyone have any experience with this machine? Does it clean? More importantly are the dishes dry. Thanks for helping me.