When design clashes with electrical code . . . WWYD?
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Designer boot camp...WWYD?
Comments (22)Wow, I really love Kathryn Ireland's work. I had no idea she did a boot camp. If the extra money spent wouldn't cause your family all that much heartburn I would definitely go for it, even though it seemed disorganized at first. It might be worth the $$ just to hang out and pick her brain. As an aside - I had a somewhat familiar experience at my workplace. There was a woman (who worked in a different locale and whom I'd never met in person) who I needed to do something professionally for one of my research projects (run a focus group). All through the planning she seemed totally disorganized and non-committal. But when the time came to do the deal, she was phenomenal and I learned a lot by watching her. Please keep us posted - I hope you go!!...See MoreBank of counter top windows at sink - how to handle code electrical?
Comments (12)Most pop up receptacles will not meet code for the required receptacle for several reasons. Most are only listed for temporary use. The only one I have found that is listed for such use is not in production the last I heard. In any case, ANY receptacle device installed IN countertops MUST be "LISTED for the application" That means that an independent government approved testing laboratory has tested the device to ensure certain standards have been met for outlets designed to go IN countertops, and that the installation instructions show the proper requirements for installing it in the countertop to meet the standards. This includes that the device's 'faceplate' seals well enough when closed to keep water out of the junction box, not a characteristic that a "wall" receptacle would normally poses. 210.52(C) (5) Receptacle Outlet Location. Receptacle outlets shall be located ON or ABOVE, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above, the countertop. Receptacle outlet assemblies LISTED for the application shall be permitted to be installed IN countertops. Receptacle outlets rendered not readily accessible by appliances fastened in place, appliance garages, sinks, or rangetops as covered in 210.52(C)(1), Exception, or appliances occupying dedicated space shall not be considered as these required outlets. Informational Note: See 406.5(E) for requirements for installation of receptacles in countertops. 406.5 (E) Receptacles in Countertops and Similar Work Surfaces in Dwelling Units. Receptacles shall not be installed in a face-up position in countertops or similar work surfaces....See MoreKitchen Sink/Electrical code question
Comments (18)@Ron - I don't know where you are getting your information and I don't want to get off track but I briefly googled and Code requires that all of the appliances I listed required a dedicated circuit and I needed a new panel in order to fulfill that requirement. I really doubt that my licensed reputable GC, my designer who is well versed in Code requirements AND the licensed electrical firm were all in a conspiracy to "steal" money by lying about what was required per Code in order to install the appliances for my remodel. The addition of the panel was discussed between all of us because it also entailed moving the panel because the actual size of the panel increased and it had been on a smaller wall. If all these people wanted to scam me, there were much more lucrative opportunities - for starters they would have also indicated that my wiring was also sub-Code. Appliances That Require Dedicated Circuits Here's a list of the typical appliances that require dedicated circuits. In addition to these, your local building authority may specify additional appliances or equipment that need a dedicated circuit. And the National Electrical Code, which is revised every three years, may also periodically add additional appliances to this list: Refrigerator Freezer Electric range (also cooktop, oven) Electric water heater Furnace (also heat pump) Washer (technically a designated circuit) Dryer Microwave Dishwasher Garbage disposal Sump pump Air conditioner (room and whole-house) Bathroom heater (including vent-fan heater units) Laundry room receptacles (outlets) Another source specific to Los Angeles - bolded are requirements for dedicated circuits and my old panel did not have sufficient circuits for this as well as the washer/dryer I added (since these were Bosch units and the dryer plugged into the washer I think technically they needed only one designated circuit). All 15 and 20 receptacles installed within 6 feet of a kitchen sink or wetbar shall have G.F.C.I. protection. Receptacles in a kitchen used to serve counter tops should be supplied with at least two 20 amp branch circuits, for small appliances. Each fixed appliance (refrigerator, stove, dish washer) shall have its own dedicated circuit. On counter tops 12 inches or wider a receptacle shall be installed so that there is no more than 24 inches between outlets. Receptacles outlets installed to serve island counter tops shall be installed above, or within 12 inches below the counter top. There shall be no more than 24 inches from center line of counter top. No receptacle shall be installed face up on a sink counter top....See MoreElectrical Outlet Code on Kitchen Island Requirement
Comments (14)If you know you do not want want outlets in the end panel or waterfall, you can design the island with columns that will accommodate an outlet, like here: If you do not want to take up the storage or seating space these columns require, then you have to put them in the waterfall like here: Some inspectors will let it slide if they see an outlet under the overhang, but it's a big risk to assume yours will. Also, it is not safe nor functional to have a cord that wraps around an overhang, especially when there is seating. If your island will be used for prep, position the outlets where they will be most useful....See MoreMizLizzie
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