Mr Odean does make changes as it ages. My older plants go to a dark copper brown and are very noticable at a distance.... I like the plant because Odean whom I have known many years is just as colorful as the plant named for him.

This was last night: I'm soooo tired of arguing with my BIL GC. I have to keep reminding myself we saved $2k by using him and I will only need a fraction of that $ to fix some of his hacks. You see that light wire coming off the center of the cab above the sink? That should have been drilled on either end of the cab not the center. I'm hoping this will not be visible when the valance goes over the sink. Our original plan called for a 5" panel to bring the cabs to the ceiling with a very plain crown molding like this: I knew it would be plain and I also knew I could add onto it if I didn't like it - no problemo at all. Just buy it and tack it up there. Easy-peasy add-on. I ordered trim for the bottom of the uppers to hide the LED lightbars and created a more finished look that looks a lot like this: I ordered a valance to go over the sink, like this: I planned double pulls for the larger drawers since my pulls are on the small side and I wanted everything uniform, like this: BIL and DH just called me at work. They think the bottom trim should be added to the crown. They want to leave off the sink valance since "We don't need it" even though its MY plan AND he drilled centered instead of side for the light wire. They think the larger drawers should have a single cenetered pull. You see the theme here? My plans are harder than what they are trying to convince me will "look better." It's harder to drill more pull holes. It's harder to install a valance and line it up in the front so the don't steal the space for my lightbars and wine glass racks. It's harder to install finished bottoms than throw that trim on the crown. I have sooo much to catch up on since I've been running home to make contingency decisions all week. I'm so fed up I want to hop on a place to Vegas and just sit by a pool and drink fruity rum drinks.

pcjs..I did see Premier cabinets at HD...the sales guy said to stay away as they are a bit cheap..and flimsy and difficult to install. There was a display in fawn glaze that I thought looked very nice. I don't have to have top of the line, nor can I afford it, I just don't want cabinets falling apart in 5 years! igloochic..that is the tone we may go for..there are 3 basic tones, orange/brown/red...my DH goes for the red toned ones (but he's color blind and always drawn to dark colors)..I think a brown town would look best but don't like any I see as they all look dull..so we're back to the orange toned stains.... mustbenuts..I do love that second photo..simple shaker cabinet but it looks so modern. I'd love to know the maker, but I'm sure I can't afford an Italian designer! Thanks so much for your comments..it's so hard as our granite is at the granite yard over 1 hour away and I can't just run over there and hold cabinet doors against it.....any thoughts to mixing uppers and lowers so DH gets his stained and I get my painted? Then of course there's the whole backsplash saga..and a floor...I'm not getting much sleep these days...I'm off to Lowes and HD again right now just to study the styles and colors. Yesterday I spent over 2 hours with a HD "design consultant" and she didn't know squat. I have "0" confidence that I'd end up with everything I want/need after an order was placed with her. I'd love to just order cabinets off the internet, but am too paranoid that when there's a problem (and there always is) how long it wil take to resolve. I may look at Buycabinets.com but it seems like a 50/50 shot at having luck with them. Any other ideas, I'd love to hear..thanks!

Wow! These are all truly helpful, wonderful suggestions! I'm scribbling the names down as fast as I can. It will be a fun weekend of the computer on one side and stacks of rose books on the other. Thank you Sheila for your words of encouragement - Oh I forgot about Heirloom - good call! I wil send pictures ... Amazing list Christopher - was hoping you might have some ideas. Thank you! I saw from some other posts you are not too far geographically. The Terrace is about 10 wide. The rose will go in one far corner and I'll train along the back. I love those Hybrid Musks - Ballerina, Buff Beauty, Katherine and Penelope (if memory serves). They were always very solid, dependable roses for me - I'll check out them out. Orfeo in a tree sounds dazzling! I realize (and accept) that it's going tot take time to get the rose to settle in and perform, which is why I'm eager to get it in this Spring. Yes yes Camaieux!! That must be it Carol! I totally agree it's that grey thing that happens as the flowers decline. Yep - fragrant once bloomer. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and ideas - cheers!