i have a sense of humor.. apparently you dont.. i did not chew your head off.. as you say ... i read what you said.. i have bought houses.. i have tried to save a buck by ID'ing what is there.. and i have wasted a lot of time and effort .. trying to 'save' ... what should otherwise be killed ... its a weed tree.. probably repeatedly run over by the drunk next door .. while attempting to park near the curb.. as most plants in such circumstances.. and able to live thru that torture.. it is most likely an invasive.. or nearly so .. and the presumption is.. that it would be a waste of effort to move it .. or save it ... and if one is living on the edge of the road.. i am going to guess that you will be finding others on the rest of the lot.. and if its anything link the siberian elm my neighbor has.. i am killing upwards of two to 300 seedlings per year ... horrible trees that shed large branches in wind and ice storms.. and drop more seeds than maples .... just a total nightmare of a tree IMHO ... i do not waste my time HELPING PEOPLE.. to only be insulted by peeps who complain about free advice ... good day.. and good bye ken

Hi Julie, the task force website is very informative. I still wasn't sure if it was spring sickness or bugs. After reading that it seems it could go hand in hand. Upon further inspection I found a spider web at the base of that fan. Wonder if he set up camp there for a reason? In that link it seems that it starts as a fungal which leaves an opening for mites to enter. Not sure if spiders eat mites, but whatever he is eating he can call it home for as long as he likes. I've had a few others but they outgrew it MUCH quicker than this one. I wonder if it isn't caused by digging & dividing which allows a fungus to enter. They say it isn't as prevalent in the south & although they have tried to come to a conclusion on spraying for rust to see if that was a factor & apparently still spring sickness. BUT the folks I purchased plants from down there did a fungal soak before shipping them to me. Dakar I bought in the north where rust isn't an issue & know they wouldn't have soaked it in a fungicide. Since I've never dealt with rust I can't say whether the fungicide is used a systemic or not or if it could actually penetrate to the core of the crown. I kept records of where I got all my dls & will check when it gets light out to see which ones got it & where I got it from. I think the weirdest part about spring sickness is that it happens in sporadic years on the same plant. Now for those proliferations! I am so excited to try this & apparently both techniques work. From the AHS website you can link off to a Lee Pickles article describing both methods. Since I have 2 plants like the 1st pic, I will try 1 on the scape & 1 in water. Thanks for your help!

'Whiteout'? 'Ghost'? 'Invisibility'? Seriously........need a photo of the swatch or color card. And I doubt you will come up with a real name unless you can identifty the manufacturer.

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