Did Pool Company get Gray Plaster job right?
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Rack Etear
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Comments (843)Spot plaster?? It's not like it's drywall getting patched. Making a repair will definitely be noticeable especially on any colored plaster. I've posted countless times on this thread about plaster issues and to reiterate, it all starts at the beginning with a proper prep, to weather conditions, application, filling and chemical care. If any of these,and some in between not mentioned, are not strictly followed, there will be a failure in the finish. The contractor should have been prepared with a tent before the rain. Carefully checking and monitoring weather prior to working pays off. The white spots may be calcium nodules. In pool plaster, it generally indicates an improper bond of the plaster to the substrate (original plaster). Mostly seen on re-plaster jobs and not new pools. Re-plastering requires a bond coat to allow the old and the new plaster properly bond. The problem will persist and probably won't go away. Acid washing might help a bit but can etch the surface making it rough. And who wants a rough surface on their feet? Here's a good explanation on this subject. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/calcium-nodules-in-pools.66499/#:~:text=What%20are%20calcium%20nodules%3F%20In%20swimming%20pools%20and,rough%20to%20the%20touch%2C%20hard%2C%20and%20generally%20gritty....See Moreplaster med vs dark grey in 8ft pool
Comments (8)We have dark grey plaster (no added finish, just plaster) and LOVE it, I would repeat it again if building now. We homeschool and have many young children at our home (mine are now 10 and 13) and seeing them has never ever been an issue at all. We wanted a very natural looking pool, we used all native rocks so the darker/less sky blue appealed to us. I'm including some photos I took this morning, the color is deceptive and changes throughout the day, sometimes it's a really deep rich blue, other times it's more grey. The depth of the cleaner in the one photo is a bit more than 9 feet, you can see it and the drain clearly. I took one of a penny that ended up in the pool too, it's at about 3 feet. I actually don't think these photos are all that good, so I will try to do some more later in the day, the water color is typically more like the deep blue you see in the deep photos with the cleaner. Here is a link that might be useful: grey plaster...See MoreNew White Plaster with Gray Mottling and Streaks-HELP!
Comments (10)wendypool, Most tap water can be adjusted in the pool after filling. Some tap water is very low in Calcium. This can be adjusted while the pool is filling by adding Calcium. Low Calcium water filling the pool can draw calcium out of the plaster. Calcium is the usual accelerant for plaster contractors. This combination of low calcium fill water and 2% calcium accelerant could be a contributing factor to the look of the plaster. Area drought causing falling water tables can affect water quality. I've seen changes in calcium levels in fill water drop by as much as 100ppm which does affect the pool start-up process. Over trowling and hydration issues are mostly seen in the bowl of the pool where water sits before plaster and where laborers are pushing plaster up the wall more aggressively. Check cracks are common in hot weather on steps and benches because they are covered with water last as the pool fills. These will look like egg shell crazing. Pebble finishes have stone held by plaster (mortar) and have a harder finish because stone is harder than plaster. These products look great and have less moudling because of the stone finish and the acid wash they receive. Poor application is the downside and occasionally result in loose stones being common. Still think that your problem can be solved by lowering the ph for a period of time to resolve the surface color issues. Good luck....See Moresnookums pool plastering
Comments (4)Cory, I should be clear that Elite Environments was WONDERFUL with us and still are to this day. Even recently if we've had a question they call back immediately, and would even come out if needed. I highly recommend them and you should have confidence in that. I found them through another poster here on this forum (rganno). Anyway, Elite Environments contracts their plastering jobs exclusively with Kerber and Kerber does pebble and mini-pebble, but they don't do the Pebble Tec brand. Rganno really wanted Pebble Tec and so Elite worked out a once-time deal with a different installer who was Pebble Tec certified for them. We, however, didn't want pebble at all, we wanted a smooth surface, and so opted for the Colorquartz. All of the builders we spoke to offered it (they probably all use Kerber Bros as they are a HUGE company), but it was Gary at Elite who introduced us to the concept. We were also one of their first customers to get it, though. However, that has nothing to do with how Kerber screwed up. It would have happened with any surface material we chose. But when it happened, Elite so had our backs and helped us to make it right. First I should mention that the pool never had a problem. It was the spa. From day one there was a hair line crack on the edge of the bench. Over a few months it grew bigger until finally I could stick my pinky finger in it. Kerber came out and said, ok, we'll replace it, but it's probably the gunite company's fault. Shane from Elite said probably not and I decided that I didn't want my job to be delayed due to a dispute between the plaster co and the gunite co - so Shane and I played secret agent one day. lol The plaster co. wanted to come out and "evaluate" the situation to see if it was the gunite company's fault - bad gunite or something. Apparently last time this happened they sent a bill to the gunite guy and he couldn't fight it, so this time he wanted to be there during the evaluation. He waited out in front of our house for two days straight, when Kerber said they would come. Finally he drives away on the third day, and 30 mins later the plaster company shows up. Hmmm. So anyway I was on the phone instantly with Shane, and he had the plaster guy (who very smartly hadn't gone far) back at my house in 5 minutes. So they take the cracked part off and it comes off in one big sheet. Not supposed to do that. Took photos and everything. Turns out the plaster company hadn't cleaned up the gunite in the spa and it didn't laminate. Kerber's fault. They wanted to patch it and Shane said no way. So they came back out and chiseled the rest out and replastered it. This time the plaster stuck but the guy who did it must have been drunk or something. It had waves and bumps and for some reason, one jet was now 3 inches inside the plaster. Soooo...they come back out again. Ok, we'll redo it again, they said. But this time, I insisted, your BEST crew (they have 100 crews) and your most experienced guys. And tell them to be prepared because I am going to stand over their shoulders and nitpick. Me too, said Shane. What other job site superviser does that? So it took a few weeks but they chiseled it out AGAIN and this time, there was even more damage to the gunite, so I insisted they browncoat it, so we didn't have the wavy bumpy results this time. They did that. And they sent out a crew led by a guy who had been doing it for 30 years and Shane and I sat, literally, in patio chairs at the edge of that spa all day long. It's perfect now. :) If I had to do a pool again I'd hire Elite without question, and I'd advise to just make sure you are there during critical times - gunite, deck pour, plastering. "There" by meaning not just home, but watching and speaking up....See MoreRack Etear
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